"Gorem;c-1759913" wrote:"ObiJuanPollo;c-1759694" wrote:"Gorem;c-1759676" wrote:
Just give Traya a stacking even 1% Tenacity when down, and bam, problem solved. Its not really hard. Maybe even make her get Tenacity up buff when she's hit 50 times while down, or even 100, it will only effect this and not effect anything else.
The fixes are really simple, and yet, its been delayed because the first one was too bad? Its a confusing concept. You don't need to touch C3 or Finn, just touch Traya a little, and the team still can do some damage, but then the loop ends. If you have to change it.
I'm fine with it staying, the raids old now, it should be soloable entirely, but the real problem here?
The top 10 reward system.
Stop putting bandaids on the raid and just fix up and even out the drops, enough of the top heavy if you get 11th even with the same amount of effort as 10th but your reward are 100% worse Raid. Noone would complain about how much damage someone else can do if it wasn't a requirement to get top 10.
Bingo! Rewards should be the same for at least top 15 or 20.
Ay, if only. Top 15 or 20 would be so welcome cause that's usually everyone that's participating or has put a good amount of damage in anyway, top 10 is way way to exclusive."AlteredCarbon;c-1759710" wrote:
Here’s what zFinn+3PO and this “unintended consequence” have done for us:
Our guild is now doing and completing hSTR and getting record numbers participating vs the utter apathy that t6 was being greeted with and the enormous, tedious slog that it took to complete it. As a result we’ve begun getting Traya unlocked and decent G12 gear.
We’ve also become a full 50/50 guild having struggled to get beyond around 42-44/50 for most of least year.
There is now a real buzz to the guild with decent TB and TW participation and results, excellent ticket generation rates and a big uptick in discord and in game comms.
Yes, for some, it is unwelcome but for us, it has been enormously positive and completely transformational for our guild and our collective enjoyment of this game.
Yeah, it has been a positive to some, but the part I don't get is why you took people in who only joined because you became a HSTR guild, Staying at 42/50 sounds better then a 50/50 guild with eight people who are only there to take gear away from the actual people who have put effort into gearing and working on the right times slowly over time. Sounds like your 42-44 was going good enough and would have started having fun regardless :)
"Gorem;c-1759913" wrote:
Yeah, it has been a positive to some, but the part I don't get is why you took people in who only joined because you became a HSTR guild, Staying at 42/50 sounds better then a 50/50 guild with eight people who are only there to take gear away from the actual people who have put effort into gearing and working on the right times slowly over time. Sounds like your 42-44 was going good enough and would have started having fun regardless :)
"AlteredCarbon;c-1760173" wrote:"Gorem;c-1759913" wrote:
Yeah, it has been a positive to some, but the part I don't get is why you took people in who only joined because you became a HSTR guild, Staying at 42/50 sounds better then a 50/50 guild with eight people who are only there to take gear away from the actual people who have put effort into gearing and working on the right times slowly over time. Sounds like your 42-44 was going good enough and would have started having fun regardless :)
Sorry, friend, but you could not be more wrong. The 8 we attracted were not noobs but all at least hSTR ready if not very hSTR experienced (including one 4.6m GP player) and have all contributed hugely to our guild community with advice and expertise.
Not sure how/why you read from my post that we were going good enough before then. The truth is we absolutely weren't and were looking at the nuclear option of a guild merge that would have upset a lot of people in both guilds. Unfortunately there's a category of guild that's stuck in a not-quite-at-hSTR stage, incapable of keeping its better players who can easily find hSTR-farming guilds to join and unable to attract the sort of hSTR-ready players that could get them to hSTR status as they aren't an hSTR guild. zFinn/3PO changes all that for them and, in our case, pushed us over that hSTR line and precipitated all the good things that have followed.
AFAIC, I hope whatever nerf they come up with is minor.
"Gorem;c-1759676" wrote:
Just give Traya a stacking even 1% Tenacity when down, and bam, problem solved. Its not really hard. Maybe even make her get Tenacity up buff when she's hit 50 times while down, or even 100, it will only effect this and not effect anything else.
The fixes are really simple, and yet, its been delayed because the first one was too bad? Its a confusing concept. You don't need to touch C3 or Finn, just touch Traya a little, and the team still can do some damage, but then the loop ends. If you have to change it.
I'm fine with it staying, the raids old now, it should be soloable entirely, but the real problem here?
The top 10 reward system.
Stop putting bandaids on the raid and just fix up and even out the drops, enough of the top heavy if you get 11th even with the same amount of effort as 10th but your reward are 100% worse Raid. Noone would complain about how much damage someone else can do if it wasn't a requirement to get top 10.
"Gorem;c-1761356" wrote:"AlteredCarbon;c-1760173" wrote:"Gorem;c-1759913" wrote:
Yeah, it has been a positive to some, but the part I don't get is why you took people in who only joined because you became a HSTR guild, Staying at 42/50 sounds better then a 50/50 guild with eight people who are only there to take gear away from the actual people who have put effort into gearing and working on the right times slowly over time. Sounds like your 42-44 was going good enough and would have started having fun regardless :)
Sorry, friend, but you could not be more wrong. The 8 we attracted were not noobs but all at least hSTR ready if not very hSTR experienced (including one 4.6m GP player) and have all contributed hugely to our guild community with advice and expertise.
Not sure how/why you read from my post that we were going good enough before then. The truth is we absolutely weren't and were looking at the nuclear option of a guild merge that would have upset a lot of people in both guilds. Unfortunately there's a category of guild that's stuck in a not-quite-at-hSTR stage, incapable of keeping its better players who can easily find hSTR-farming guilds to join and unable to attract the sort of hSTR-ready players that could get them to hSTR status as they aren't an hSTR guild. zFinn/3PO changes all that for them and, in our case, pushed us over that hSTR line and precipitated all the good things that have followed.
AFAIC, I hope whatever nerf they come up with is minor.
Thank you for proving my point, you know you proved the exact point I was trying to make, right? oh wow, a 4.6mil player joined your guild to take a top 10 spot, did I get that correctly?
That you were "suddenly" good enough for that "top player" to join you? Not because of being in a good guild or friendship or anything, but to literally take your hard earned gear?
You do realise that top 10 is everything in HSTR because of how badly designed it is, right?
You got those "HSTR" ready players because you are a HSTR guild, so in respect, thank you for agreeing with me on your mistake :)
"Gorem;c-1761356" wrote:
Thank you for proving my point, you know you proved the exact point I was trying to make, right? oh wow, a 4.6mil player joined your guild to take a top 10 spot, did I get that correctly?
That you were "suddenly" good enough for that "top player" to join you? Not because of being in a good guild or friendship or anything, but to literally take your hard earned gear?
You do realise that top 10 is everything in HSTR because of how badly designed it is, right?
You got those "HSTR" ready players because you are a HSTR guild, so in respect, thank you for agreeing with me on your mistake :)
"Franimus;c-1759303" wrote:"Drim;c-1758997" wrote:
Can we get a update losing rewards to people that only solo p3.... not fun this is a serious slap in the face for how long this has dragged on
My guild is able to do tier 6 consistently now, in under a week, just because I am able to take down p3 in a day. Otherwise we max our raid tickets and have to spend most of the time doing tier 5. So we all get better rewards, not just me. (I was typically top 5 before anyways, due to NS, so its not like i jumped up out of nowhere.) It's not all sunshine though, I still can't solo it on auto, only about half. So to solo I have to spend an hour or three making sure c3po always has full tm.
So please do not nerf the zfinn+c3po mechanic!
"Pieriku;c-1761652" wrote:"Franimus;c-1759303" wrote:"Drim;c-1758997" wrote:
Can we get a update losing rewards to people that only solo p3.... not fun this is a serious slap in the face for how long this has dragged on
My guild is able to do tier 6 consistently now, in under a week, just because I am able to take down p3 in a day. Otherwise we max our raid tickets and have to spend most of the time doing tier 5. So we all get better rewards, not just me. (I was typically top 5 before anyways, due to NS, so its not like i jumped up out of nowhere.) It's not all sunshine though, I still can't solo it on auto, only about half. So to solo I have to spend an hour or three making sure c3po always has full tm.
So please do not nerf the zfinn+c3po mechanic!
Same in my guild. Tier 6 was quite painful for us and we had to rotate with tier 5 in order not to waste our raid tickets. We are now a few people who can finish this phase 3 in less than a day, which allows us to do only tier 6 raids. Of course, those guys are the same that were in the top spots before C3P0. And all the guild benefits from the better rewards now.
This raid is so painful that it disgusted a lot of people who are almost never participating so, please, keep this ZFinn thing as it is.
"GOWLIKEABOSS;c-1761702" wrote:"Pieriku;c-1761652" wrote:"Franimus;c-1759303" wrote:"Drim;c-1758997" wrote:
Can we get a update losing rewards to people that only solo p3.... not fun this is a serious slap in the face for how long this has dragged on
My guild is able to do tier 6 consistently now, in under a week, just because I am able to take down p3 in a day. Otherwise we max our raid tickets and have to spend most of the time doing tier 5. So we all get better rewards, not just me. (I was typically top 5 before anyways, due to NS, so its not like i jumped up out of nowhere.) It's not all sunshine though, I still can't solo it on auto, only about half. So to solo I have to spend an hour or three making sure c3po always has full tm.
So please do not nerf the zfinn+c3po mechanic!
Same in my guild. Tier 6 was quite painful for us and we had to rotate with tier 5 in order not to waste our raid tickets. We are now a few people who can finish this phase 3 in less than a day, which allows us to do only tier 6 raids. Of course, those guys are the same that were in the top spots before C3P0. And all the guild benefits from the better rewards now.
This raid is so painful that it disgusted a lot of people who are almost never participating so, please, keep this ZFinn thing as it is.
I personally stopped playing this game until the zFinn is fixed. I spent 4 months building three P3 teams, only to have all that work made meaningless because one guy in my guild has C3PO and solos the whole thing.
"OldBen;c-1761714" wrote:
Talk to him and make him do the Solo on 1x Speed. Enough time for you to send your 3 p3 teams. Btw: there are 3 P3 Teams? :)
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