Change in TB operations

Changes to Plops should be given with no less than 2 TB's notice.

You should pass along that changing platoons without warning is insane

"Skynobi;c-2451691" wrote:
You should pass along that changing platoons without warning is insane

What are you talking about? You got a week's warning.

"StarSon;c-2451694" wrote:

"Skynobi;c-2451691" wrote:
You should pass along that changing platoons without warning is insane

What are you talking about? You got a week's warning.

Switching from a common character to one that has ~3% the number of R7s or ~3.6% the number of R7+ is not fair to the player base. It, realistically, should have been characters like Sith Trooper, Malak, Darth Revan, Sidious, KRU, or Kylo. Those would have been good picks that were favorable to the players.

I think you’re missing the point. That’s obviously the strategy, yes, but in the present context, with it being a short notice change with significant impact, after many guilds have already put in the effort to fill all the operations by putting relics on this other units, it would have been sensible to replace the one here with a common r7 character.

Yep. People have already put in the effort to finish ops for Tatooine. Adding a new character to the ops that wasn't around when ROTE came out and still isn't accelerated could push some guilds back a ways on completing Tat ops. And some of those guilds could be relying on completing ops to make the Reva mission easier. It's an unforeseen obstacle that players should not have to deal with. For this reason, the operation character should have been a softball. They should have used a very common character. A decent number of operation characters have been GL reqs, what's one more?

It is not the fault of the players that CG messed up by putting Fifth Brother in that slot and then left it unchanged for a year. Players/guilds shouldn't be potentially punished for this.

/e Leave it as is for now, because guilds have probably already had players dump resources into chieftain to get ready. But in the future, any changes should be mostly non-issue characters.

Wasn't this just one toon?

I mean, I hear the argument that the short notice argues for a more common character, but how many guilds currently getting 6/6 Ops on Tatooine do not have anyone in the guild with an r5+ Chieftain? My guild had 2 r7s and I would have taken Chieftain to r7 tomorrow if it had been necessary (just did a small bunch of r8s and I'm short Electrium Conductors for the moment or I could have done it today).

I'm more in favour of arguing for longer lead times than I am in favour of arguing for common toons to replace their mistakes (and/or toons that become required for SMs as new missions and planets are added). Mostly because I simply think we're going to be more successful arguing for the former. And, frankly, I think that Chieftain is common enough when you're talking about the guilds that are 6/6 on Tat Ops. It's not like we need 8 copies of him.

I'm not opposed to using Sidious or whomever for these types of swaps, I just don't think that's a fight we can win, so I'm not interested in spending my energy there.

Probably half can complete them in one day and a few more in 2 days with preloading certain characters. And then a few more that are only a couple of characters away from being done with ops.

And no, more notice is not acceptable when it's a 6 month farm for shards on a non-accelerated character unless the amount of extra notice they give is roughly 6 months.

Probably half can complete them in one day and a few more in 2 days with preloading certain characters. And then a few more that are only a couple of characters away from being done with ops.

Okay, but you forgot the most important bit: how many of these 7-10 guilds are going to miss out on 6/6 just because of Chieftain?

We disagree on the amount of notice (though I think it should be more, I don't think it needs to be 6 months, which assumes that out of 50 people in a 6/6 ROTE guild not one single player has even started a farm -- a ridiculous assumption), but the number of your guilds that miss 6/6 just because of Chieftain is a fact that you can find out. I will take your word for it. How many guilds will miss 6/6 based on this alone?

If the answer is zero, doesn't that make your argument that 6 months notice is needed a little silly?

No, it does not, because we should look at it as an absolute worst case. Again, this is not a problem that players should be expected to deal with after having finished Tat OPs. Players have put in the work. That work should not be invalidated. The devs should not arbitrarily remove player/guild progress after 12 months.

Currently every single one of our guilds that was mentioned who was able to complete it is now incapable. Two, maybe three, will be ready by this upcoming TB. The others will not be able to complete OPs this time.