Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding game mechanics here. What if we had these two scenarios introduced? A toon (Ex: Droideka) with insanely high defense that does not depend on health or protection for survivability. Could a toon have a defense so high that standard attacks like Wiggs, Chirrut, etc would feel like a wet noodle? Additionally, are there any toons with insanely high special attack right now? Does special attack damage factor in enemies' defense? I know DN's basic does ~6k in special damage and I believe EP is similar. What if high defense toons were released to counter the basic DPS we see in Rebels? I'm not sure how special attack factors in here, but could we release a Jedi or Sith with super high special damage that ignores defense as a counter to the aforementioned? Just brainstorming. Any insight on defense caps or how special damage is related would be helpful.

Defense exists in the game for both physical and special attacks. I'm not sure if the exact mechanics are known, but it essentially decreases damage dealt. I think the consensus is that it isn't as important as other things (like speed or crit dmg) as it only marginally improves survivability.

Well I can point one thing out to you. Defense is Armour and Resistance, just as Offense is Physical and Special. Defense lowers Physical damage and Resistance lowers Special, and you can see the various toons stats here: https://swgoh.gg/characters/stats/

Have you heard of Sith Trooper under zSavage? He is very annoying to kill.

defence doesn't matter to DN that's for sure. as has been mentioned, sith trooper has an incredible amount of armour. kylo of course is the other one that builds up after each hit.

I think that a solid defensive team could be zSavage, zBarriss, GK, zNihilus, and Sith Trooper. If you have the components, I think it would hold well. I would take on triple cleanse before this team any day. Three cleansers, a constantly taunting Sith Trooper with insane defense, and a Nihilus going to town unhindered.

Defense Heavy and Special Focused toons

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midship_uncle
8 years ago
Defense exists in the game for both physical and special attacks. I'm not sure if the exact mechanics are known, but it essentially decreases damage dealt. I think the consensus is that it isn't as important as other things (like speed or crit dmg) as it only marginally improves survivability.
LegendSpade
8 years ago
Well I can point one thing out to you. Defense is Armour and Resistance, just as Offense is Physical and Special. Defense lowers Physical damage and Resistance lowers Special, and you can see the various toons stats here: https://swgoh.gg/characters/stats/
ExarTheKun
8 years ago
Have you heard of Sith Trooper under zSavage? He is very annoying to kill.
RapidDevil85
8 years ago
defence doesn't matter to DN that's for sure. as has been mentioned, sith trooper has an incredible amount of armour. kylo of course is the other one that builds up after each hit.
ExarTheKun
8 years ago
I think that a solid defensive team could be zSavage, zBarriss, GK, zNihilus, and Sith Trooper. If you have the components, I think it would hold well. I would take on triple cleanse before this team any day. Three cleansers, a constantly taunting Sith Trooper with insane defense, and a Nihilus going to town unhindered.
mdrewbullard33
8 years ago
"ExarTheKun;c-1142254" wrote:
I think that a solid defensive team could be zSavage, zBarriss, GK, zNihilus, and Sith Trooper. If you have the components, I think it would hold well. I would take on triple cleanse before this team any day. Three cleansers, a constantly taunting Sith Trooper with insane defense, and a Nihilus going to town unhindered.

Certainly a good start. What if there was a toon with insane special made to kill Sith Trooper and the like? If there were more Sith Trooper like-toons, you could essentially time out all the 3x cleanse teams while you play defense since they'll never touch you. It would start to shift meta to more DPS, specifically toons with high special damage (Jedi Luke, perhaps?) to kill super high defense teams.

Chaze teams already have a hard time killing my DN and GK under zBarriss.
LegendSpade
8 years ago
"Atlas1;c-1142282" wrote:
"ExarTheKun;c-1142254" wrote:
I think that a solid defensive team could be zSavage, zBarriss, GK, zNihilus, and Sith Trooper. If you have the components, I think it would hold well. I would take on triple cleanse before this team any day. Three cleansers, a constantly taunting Sith Trooper with insane defense, and a Nihilus going to town unhindered.

Certainly a good start. What if there was a toon with insane special made to kill Sith Trooper and the like? If there were more Sith Trooper like-toons, you could essentially time out all the 3x cleanse teams while you play defense since they'll never touch you. It would start to shift meta to more DPS, specifically toons with high special damage (Jedi Luke, perhaps?) to kill super high defense teams.

Chaze teams already have a hard time killing my DN and GK under zBarriss.

Nope, sorry. I mentioned earlier, but Defense also increases Resistance, which is the stat that reduces incoming special damage. Sith trooper increases his defense, so that goes up too. What you're looking for is something that ignore defense, and off the top of my head Darth Sidious does that.
mdrewbullard33
8 years ago
@Steel_Memes gotcha. So only a specific ability, currently owned by Sidious only, can penetrate top tier defense. Well, perhaps we need more of those "ignore" abilities and stronger toons that render the DPS of Chaze/GK teams useless.

Currently it's a race for me to kill the opposing DN, and then I win easily.
sainte5
8 years ago
"Atlas1;c-1142282" wrote:

Certainly a good start. What if there was a toon with insane special made to kill Sith Trooper and the like? If there were more Sith Trooper like-toons, you could essentially time out all the 3x cleanse teams while you play defense since they'll never touch you. It would start to shift meta to more DPS, specifically toons with high special damage (Jedi Luke, perhaps?) to kill super high defense teams.

Chaze teams already have a hard time killing my DN and GK under zBarriss.

Darth Nihilus can one-shot anything in the game, so there is already a toon made to kill defensive toons like this.

It would definitely be interesting to have a character that does more damage the higher their target's defense is...hits like a wet noodle against squishies but like a truck against tanks.
mdrewbullard33
8 years ago
"Dryff;c-1142296" wrote:
"Atlas1;c-1142282" wrote:

Certainly a good start. What if there was a toon with insane special made to kill Sith Trooper and the like? If there were more Sith Trooper like-toons, you could essentially time out all the 3x cleanse teams while you play defense since they'll never touch you. It would start to shift meta to more DPS, specifically toons with high special damage (Jedi Luke, perhaps?) to kill super high defense teams.

Chaze teams already have a hard time killing my DN and GK under zBarriss.

Darth Nihilus can one-shot anything in the game, so there is already a toon made to kill defensive toons like this.

It would definitely be interesting to have a character that does more damage the higher their target's defense is...hits like a wet noodle against squishies but like a truck against tanks.

@Dryff, yes along those lines. Interesting idea. Currently DN, and SiT are the only ones in this dynamic and they both can stomp triple cleanse teams. We could use more of those types, not necessarily OHKO toons but similar to your idea. Tank killers to quickly eliminate Baze, Kylo, Savage.