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Any arena shake up is a bad idea. If you take people who are used to being at the top and shove them to the bottom. That isn't going to encourage them to spend more, it is going to encourage them to STOP PLAYING.

I used to play a game called outwar. People kept asking for server mergers due to inactivity. The game finally ended up doing it to reduce costs... and the small amount of people actually playing the game dropped by 50%!!!!

People think rearrangements are a good thing, but all they do is minimize the time people have invested, there is no actual gain for the majority of the population.

"Woodroward;c-1410142" wrote:
Any arena shake up is a bad idea. If you take people who are used to being at the top and shove them to the bottom. That isn't going to encourage them to spend more, it is going to encourage them to STOP PLAYING.

I used to play a game called outwar. People kept asking for server mergers due to inactivity. The game finally ended up doing it to reduce costs... and the small amount of people actually playing the game dropped by 50%!!!!

People think rearrangements are a good thing, but all they do is minimize the time people have invested, there is no actual gain for the majority of the population.

I dont think you can generalize like that, at all. Have you ever read a book called “Mindset”? I think you, sir, have a fixed one.
I wont bother explaning (seriously, read the book, its enlightening), but other people have a growth mindset, in which challenges are welcomed because they represent chance of growing.
Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker aye I thought people like you would shun me for this type of idea, glad to hear it :)

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1411038" wrote:

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

How does shuffling change that? It takes no real time to find others on your leaderboard.
It is still the same teams you will be fighting for the most part just a different name for the player.
Collusion exists because of the bad design of arena where the only thing that matters is your rank for 1/86400 seconds.
So to keep the same ranking reward system and stop collision they would need to "shuffle" every single day so then 1st place rewards is based on RNG (what rank you get shuffled into the new leader board) and spending on refreshes (how far you have to climb)

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1411038" wrote:

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

I totally agree with you here, however shuffling shards will not fix it imo. I doubt it will happen but I wish they would just do a complete overhaul to how arena works. For now though why not just play a team you enjoy even if it drops your rank? My alt account rank varies between 200-500 but its way more fun, lots of different squads to battle.

"scuba;c-1411062" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1411038" wrote:

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

How does shuffling change that? It takes no real time to find others on your leaderboard.
It is still the same teams you will be fighting for the most part just a different name for the player.
Collusion exists because of the bad design of arena where the only thing that matters is your rank for 1/86400 seconds.
So to keep the same ranking reward system and stop collision they would need to "shuffle" every single day so then 1st place rewards is based on RNG (what rank you get shuffled into the new leader board) and spending on refreshes (how far you have to climb)

Yeah, I’m aware. Things would be interesting for a while, but Im sure collusion would still happen. So I agree, even though I like the idea of the shard shuffle, I recognize that it wouldn’t really solve anything in the long term.

"coollogic;c-1411252" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1411038" wrote:

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

I totally agree with you here, however shuffling shards will not fix it imo. I doubt it will happen but I wish they would just do a complete overhaul to how arena works. For now though why not just play a team you enjoy even if it drops your rank? My alt account rank varies between 200-500 but its way more fun, lots of different squads to battle.

Oh, I have a lot of fun with my Jedi only squad (I know CLS isn’t tagged as one, but he’s a Jedi in my heart and he uses a lightsaber, it’s all good lol).
I would just like to play against other people in the top spots, that’s all.

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1411038" wrote:

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

Apparantly you do feel like that to a certain extent. A shardshuffle is just a temporary sollution to counter collusion with no guarantee it won't be worse on a shuffled leaderboard.
As a player who has been on top of my leaderboard for ages, i agree that it's not very competative. (almost) everyone can beat everyone on offence, you just have to keep your team up-to-date and time your attacks in order to get top3 at pay-out. I'm reasonably sure i can reach #1 on any leaderboard out there, this isn't me bragging, it's just they way arena and arena battles are designed. The "difficulty" in arena is not the quality of your competition, but it's the quantity. I can't oversee all the consequenses a shardshuffle would bring with it, but i think it's reasonable to assume the quantity of competition will increase, thus making in "harder" to get top ranks during pay-out for nearly everyone involved. With "harder" i mean having to do more battles, not more difficult battles. Maybe you like that, but i think the majority of the top50 players wouldn't. I only mention top50 since collusion doesn't affect those outside of the top50.
Also, how would the devs go about a shardshuffle? GW matchmaking has been an issue since day 1, so excuse me for not trusting the devs' capability as far as matchmaking goes. Any metric they can use is skewed in one way or another. Not to mention the logistics involved in merging/shuffling shards, it's a nightmare.
Allongside with the other negative effects a shardshuffle would bring mentioned by others in this thread, i don't think the pros outweight the cons, not by a long shot. I think it won't fix anything, it will just improve the arena sitation for some, but make it worse for more players.
Obviously i'm biased since i'm ranking top3 with relative ease, don't care much for arena so i'm fine with the way it is now and just collect my daily crystals. We don't collude much, we just respect eachothers pay-outs, no pre-determined spots during my pay-out, no agreements to lock eachother out or getting others to snipe enemies during friendly pay-outs. The players i share pay-out with usually just place themselves in the top5 and snipe from there (only one of them is on the chat), mainly because if you snipe from outside of the top5 you risk getting sniped back and end up with #6-10 rewards. GP from players inside the top20 ranging from 1.3m to 3m+ GP, i estimate the average around 2.4m GP. So yea, good chance a shard shuffle would make my situation significantly worse.

"leef;c-1411467" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1411038" wrote:

"leef;c-1410966" wrote:

"Ben_Sunwalker;c-1410161" wrote:

Id love a shard shufffle even though I finish top 10 everyday - it would bring a lot of fun and competitiveness in a boring and colluded shard.
Bring. It. On

@Ben_Sunwalker
I admire your optimisme, but that's an assumption. Maybe you're just optimistic about the shuffle idea because you feel like you have it bad on your current leaderboard?

No, I dont feel like that at all.
It’s just that it’s the same people playing against the same teams over and over, for spots that are previously set due to collusion.
Theres not really competition, which I find boring.
The truth of the fact is that I find collusion anti fun, and If a shard shuffle would mean less collusion for a while, great. Thats all.

Apparantly you do feel like that to a certain extent. A shardshuffle is just a temporary sollution to counter collusion with no guarantee it won't be worse on a shuffled leaderboard.
As a player who has been on top of my leaderboard for ages, i agree that it's not very competative. (almost) everyone can beat everyone on offence, you just have to keep your team up-to-date and time your attacks in order to get top3 at pay-out. I'm reasonably sure i can reach #1 on any leaderboard out there, this isn't me bragging, it's just they way arena and arena battles are designed. The "difficulty" in arena is not the quality of your competition, but it's the quantity. I can't oversee all the consequenses a shardshuffle would bring with it, but i think it's reasonable to assume the quantity of competition will increase, thus making in "harder" to get top ranks during pay-out for nearly everyone involved. With "harder" i mean having to do more battles, not more difficult battles. Maybe you like that, but i think the majority of the top50 players wouldn't. I only mention top50 since collusion doesn't affect those outside of the top50.
Also, how would the devs go about a shardshuffle? GW matchmaking has been an issue since day 1, so excuse me for not trusting the devs' capability as far as matchmaking goes. Any metric they can use is skewed in one way or another. Not to mention the logistics involved in merging/shuffling shards, it's a nightmare.
Allongside with the other negative effects a shardshuffle would bring mentioned by others in this thread, i don't think the pros outweight the cons, not by a long shot. I think it won't fix anything, it will just improve the arena sitation for some, but make it worse for more players.
Obviously i'm biased since i'm ranking top3 with relative ease, don't care much for arena so i'm fine with the way it is now and just collect my daily crystals. We don't collude much, we just respect eachothers pay-outs, no pre-determined spots during my pay-out, no agreements to lock eachother out or getting others to snipe enemies during friendly pay-outs. The players i share pay-out with usually just place themselves in the top5 and snipe from there (only one of them is on the chat), mainly because if you snipe from outside of the top5 you risk getting sniped back and end up with #6-10 rewards. GP from players inside the top20 ranging from 1.3m to 3m+ GP, i estimate the average around 2.4m GP. So yea, good chance a shard shuffle would make my situation significantly worse.

That was a great reply and it sure gave me food for thought. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
However, since the situation is not ideal for a lot of people, what do you think we should propose? I different way of achieving rank, as proposed by scuba?
Could work, don’t know. But I give it to you that a shuffle won’t solve anything, you convinced me.