Don't change Traya's omicron

At least they haven't nerfed Fennec's omicron...

Space Mulan is OP... and I'm okay with that :)

It feels like you guys are getting your lines crossed in this discussion. Some are talking about what the omi used to do, some about what it will do now, and some about the efficacy of what it used to do.

Everyone here knows it used to enable a counter for LV.

Anyone who said it was guaranteed is either being disingenuous or assuming you also have the proper mods and relic levels. This should be apparent from the .gg data, which shows several fails by people assuming it was just an "I win" button with no further investment required. This is also why I was against the nerf. Even with the omi, you needed dedicted, quality mods and proper strategy to make it work (at least in 3v3).

Few have offered concrete examples of what its nerfed state will still counter.

• Malgus--data was pretty rough. Pretty easy to get Fear locked and cooldown increased for days, especially against quality Malgus comps
  
• GAS--if you can trigger the cooldown reset on Nihilus and then get a turn before GAS increases them again... sure. I am interested to see how this plays out, but it sounds like you won't have much agency in the matter unless the clones are coded to focus Nihilus and you run Nihilus lead and Nihilus gets a turn before GAS...
  
• JML. I found some YouTube vids of it in 5v5. Looks dicey but possible. I do wonder how much the extra stat scaling mattered because the videos I saw looked dicey.
  

Back to Jakdnels question, I've yet to see someone offer a counter enabled by the nerfed omi that looks consistent and valuable enough to be worthy of an omi. I hope to be proven wrong this season, in which case I will reapply the omi.

LV with Maul should be better then Traya with omicron. I’m ok with it. But my thoughts was about add Talon and Savage omicrons to Thrio and make them legend killers. With 3 omicrons it’s more than fair. Sad that CG just cut this option.
Traya omi was a key to give life for Talon omi. Now Talon omi again became useless.

"Jakdnels;c-2402587" wrote:

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402574" wrote:
It feels like you guys are getting your lines crossed in this discussion. Some are talking about what the omi used to do, some about what it will do now, and some about the efficacy of what it used to do.

Everyone here knows it used to enable a counter for LV.

Anyone who said it was guaranteed is either being disingenuous or assuming you also have the proper mods and relic levels. This should be apparent from the .gg data, which shows several fails by people assuming it was just an "I win" button with no further investment required. This is also why I was against the nerf. Even with the omi, you needed dedicted, quality mods and proper strategy to make it work (at least in 3v3).

Few have offered concrete examples of what its nerfed state will still counter.

• Malgus--data was pretty rough. Pretty easy to get Fear locked and cooldown increased for days, especially against quality Malgus comps
  
• GAS--if you can trigger the cooldown reset on Nihilus and then get a turn before GAS increases them again... sure. I am interested to see how this plays out, but it sounds like you won't have much agency in the matter unless the clones are coded to focus Nihilus and you run Nihilus lead and Nihilus gets a turn before GAS...
  
• JML. I found some YouTube vids of it in 5v5. Looks dicey but possible. I do wonder how much the extra stat scaling mattered because the videos I saw looked dicey.
  

Back to Jakdnels question, I've yet to see someone offer a counter enabled by the nerfed omi that looks consistent and valuable enough to be worthy of an omi. I hope to be proven wrong this season, in which case I will reapply the omi.

If you have it applied there's a better than zero chance it's gonna be available in the next GAC. It's scheduled to start on the 30th and they don't usually push updates on the weekend or Mondays.

It would be nice to have those resources to put on a different character before the next GAC.

Agreed. I hope they refund it before the next GAC season begins. Doesn't seem fair to nerf it, but not refund until after GAC roster-lock

“Agreed. I hope they refund it before the next GAC season begins. Doesn't seem fair to nerf it, but not refund until after GAC roster-lock”

This 100%

Another way to look at it. If they wait to refund/rollback the omi until after GAC lock, you get a free trial period of 1 week to see how the new version works (or doesn't).

"Jakdnels;c-2402638" wrote:
I didn't sign up to be a beta tester.

And yet, here we all are.

"Jakdnels;c-2402638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2402636" wrote:

"Jakdnels;c-2402634" wrote:

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402620" wrote:
Another way to look at it. If they wait to refund/rollback the omi until after GAC lock, you get a free trial period of 1 week to see how the new version works (or doesn't).

What's free about it? It cost 20 omicron mats...

You already spent that. It's free to get more information about it.

I guess, but when I spent those mats it was after seeing what it was doing. It was an informed spend. I didn't sign up to be a beta tester.

That's why I was asking what it could do now because I doubt it'll counter LV anymore.

I'm currently out 20 omicron mats that I could use elsewhere. I don't see that as free. I see it as bait and switch, (albeit temporary and not really a huge issue)

Considering you waited to see what it was doing before spent those mats, it means you waited to see it in action through other players first hand experience in gac.
So it would be only logical to do the exact same thing, waiting for next gac to see what traya 2.0 is able to do before deciding to apply those mats somewhere else. To be fair, I’ll do the exact same thing.
So as long as you get those mats for the second week of gac, it’s not really an issue.

"Starslayer;c-2402647" wrote:

"Jakdnels;c-2402638" wrote:

"TVF;c-2402636" wrote:

"Jakdnels;c-2402634" wrote:

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402620" wrote:
Another way to look at it. If they wait to refund/rollback the omi until after GAC lock, you get a free trial period of 1 week to see how the new version works (or doesn't).

What's free about it? It cost 20 omicron mats...

You already spent that. It's free to get more information about it.

I guess, but when I spent those mats it was after seeing what it was doing. It was an informed spend. I didn't sign up to be a beta tester.

That's why I was asking what it could do now because I doubt it'll counter LV anymore.

I'm currently out 20 omicron mats that I could use elsewhere. I don't see that as free. I see it as bait and switch, (albeit temporary and not really a huge issue)

Considering you waited to see what it was doing before spent those mats, it means you waited to see it in action through other players first hand experience in gac.
So it would be only logical to do the exact same thing, waiting for next gac to see what traya 2.0 is able to do before deciding to apply those mats somewhere else. To be fair, I’ll do the exact same thing.
So as long as you get those mats for the second week of gac, it’s not really an issue.

Fair point. If they refund before GAC lock and I move Traya's omicron to someone else then I might not be able to reapply to Traya if it turns out 2.0 is decent after the first week of the next GAC (depending on how many omicron mats I currently have and how many I can get in ~10 days or so).