Doubling relic gear requirement madness

"el_mago;c-2398961" wrote:

"Tellithowitis;c-2398959" wrote:

"el_mago;c-2398958" wrote:

"Tellithowitis;c-2398956" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398951" wrote:

"Tellithowitis;c-2398950" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2398941" wrote:
In a guild of 50 people, I think I may be the only one that regularly checks the forums. Two or three others occasionally read the forums but usually only for big updates. Whenever something this impactful comes along, I always pass the information along for the people in my guild that don't read the forums. I also post a link to important CG Dev posts in a discord channel on our server devoted to CG Dev posts. I also give a a few bullet points in guild chat for the folks that aren't on discord and tell people to check the forums if it's something this serious. I do this because I care about whether my guild mates have all the information they need to adapt their farming strategies to fit their goals. That's just good for my guild mates, and good for my guild in general.

I'm not saying that everyone should be like me - that would surely leave us worse off. But I would be shocked if anyone that plays this game with any kind of serious intent on doing well were in a guild that didn't put this information out to it's players or at the very least, tell them to check the forums.

We had at least a month of advanced notice about this. If you're in a guild where no one bothered to even mention this and it's that important to you - then maybe the priorities of your guild leadership don't align with your own.

I think it would have been nice for CG to send out an in-game notification about this - but that would be inconsistent with their previous behavior. They OFTEN do things without sending an in-game notice to inform the players. Their pattern to date has been to make the lions share of the information they provide about the game available on the forums by way of posts from one of the community managers. That's how it's always been. Expecting them to suddenly change an established pattern of behavior doesn't seem logical to me. Just to drive the point home, I think they should have sent an in-game notice - but I would absolutely 100% not expect them to and I can't fathom why anyone else would expect that. It's just not how they operate - it's never been how they operate.

For anyone that got burned by this, let it be a lesson learned - if you read nothing else on these forums, check once a week or so to see if there are in dev posts. It takes seconds to do so and apparently could save you "thousands of dollars" worth of gear. CG is not culpable here - we had WEEKS of advanced notice. They could have done more, yes - but they did as much as they've ever done in the past.

"Tellithowitis;c-2398920" wrote:
CG robbed people of thousands of dollars worth of farming and there is no way around it or sugar coating it

This is slanderous and absolutely false. No one was robbed of anything. No one took anything from anyone. CG told us they were going to make a change weeks in advance and then they made exactly the change that they outlined. Everyone had ample opportunity to insulate themselves from any and all losses associated with the change - which is precisely WHY we got so much notice. They hid nothing, lied about nothing, and took nothing from anyone. It's unfortunate that some people didn't know about it - that is in no way CGs fault - get into a more attentive guild, or start checking the forums regularly and become the "forum scout" for your own guild to avoid this kind of thing in the future.

"CG told us", they told YOU, the forum user not everyone. How can you say:" I'm the only one in a guild of 50 people who reads the forums" and then say that?

Yes they robbed us of mats this isn't just standard inflation this is literally cutting our value in half over night. If the government decided to half the value of your dollars over night while keeping the costs of everything the same, you've been robbed and there is not way around it

A. That’s not how the “value of your dollars” and the “costs of everything” work, so it’s not a good working analogy.

B. Ignoring the point above, that is exactly how it works. The government doesn’t mail you a letter saying “Hey, we’re about to xyz…”. No, they post it publicly as required by law, and you hear about it by checking the public information, hearing about it from a friend, or reading it in the news. It’s not robbery, shady tactics or anything nefarious. One line of communication, so there are no miscommuncations or mixed signals. If you choose to ignore that line of communication, for whatever reason, intentional or not, it’s on you - not the government.

C. Relics have been around for ~3.5 years. Whatever you might have actually saved up, it’s not 3.5 years worth or you’re playing the game wrong. Stop being dramatic.

Relics have been in the game for 3.5 years but the gear we've been stockpiling has been in the game a lot longer than that. There is no way around this my man. Not giving an in game warning, plus the exact date of the update and all the details and instead relying on forum posts and YouTubers to spread the word is absurd. Also again, not everyone speaks English, plus there are kids who are allowed to only play the game but can't use in game chat or not allowed in the forums etc. When you much a decision that has this much impact you should bare the responsibility of taking ALL factors into consideration and making sure you do the best job you can at informing EVERYONE not just those who read the forums. And even if you follow YouTubers it doesn't mean you watch every single video they post all the time, it's called being "busy" and having a life my dude. It's a robbery of tremendous value and they ought to do something about it, personally I think they should restore the scrap value of gear, it shouldn't be hard to relic characters to 1-4 anyways. Relic 9 is required for TB, as well as exec/profundity. Relic 8 is required for GLs. It's about **** time relic 3-4 became easier to get

They JUST made it a little easier to get to G12. I hope you're used to disappointment if you have even a shred of hope that they are gonna make R3 - R4 any easier.

You can keep beating your head against the wall of this "it wasn't fair" nonsense. it won't get you anywhere. nobody's really disagreeing with you that they SHOULD have done more, we're just not agreeing with you that they HAD to do more.

Life's lesson learned....just be glad you learned it in a video game and not in real life. Get over it, the victim mentality is getting old.

"Victim mentality"? Really? More like holding a business accountable to their decisions. Or how about setting some standards with regards to what is acceptable? You know victims do exist and have every right to complain about it. It says more about you when you're not willing to acknowledge someone's been the victim and instead make excuses for the victimizer.

You're right when it comes to CG you should hold a small basket and expect everything from them. But can we at least call them out when they step out of line?

The problem with your flawed argument is that you seem to think that they owe you anything. They are operating how they've always operated. You either adapt (come to the forums, read the discord) or die (complain about being the vicitm, blaming others for your lack of awareness).

They are doing the same as they've always done, good or bad. The ball is in YOUR court.

You know what they call it when you keep trying something and expect a different result, right? Insanity.

Again, deal with it. You learned a valuable lesson. Keep that in your pocket and help others to not make the same mistake. Anything else is falling on deaf ears and you will get no sympathy.

Id disagree with that too.

They always say they 'respect the players investment' and make decisions based on that.

Halfing the value of current mats without an in game warning doesnt 'respect the players investment' in their current farmed or purchased gear.

CG was wrong here. They didnt give the notice to the full player base.


Now what i can agree on is that CG will duck the old head in the sand and not do anything to balance it after the fact and a person should learn the lesson to look at the forums or get in guilds that do read so youll know.... or be ok with it / as ok as one can be.