Doubling relic gear requirement madness

"nfidel2k;c-2398951" wrote:

"Tellithowitis;c-2398950" wrote:

"herd_nerfer;c-2398941" wrote:
In a guild of 50 people, I think I may be the only one that regularly checks the forums. Two or three others occasionally read the forums but usually only for big updates. Whenever something this impactful comes along, I always pass the information along for the people in my guild that don't read the forums. I also post a link to important CG Dev posts in a discord channel on our server devoted to CG Dev posts. I also give a a few bullet points in guild chat for the folks that aren't on discord and tell people to check the forums if it's something this serious. I do this because I care about whether my guild mates have all the information they need to adapt their farming strategies to fit their goals. That's just good for my guild mates, and good for my guild in general.

I'm not saying that everyone should be like me - that would surely leave us worse off. But I would be shocked if anyone that plays this game with any kind of serious intent on doing well were in a guild that didn't put this information out to it's players or at the very least, tell them to check the forums.

We had at least a month of advanced notice about this. If you're in a guild where no one bothered to even mention this and it's that important to you - then maybe the priorities of your guild leadership don't align with your own.

I think it would have been nice for CG to send out an in-game notification about this - but that would be inconsistent with their previous behavior. They OFTEN do things without sending an in-game notice to inform the players. Their pattern to date has been to make the lions share of the information they provide about the game available on the forums by way of posts from one of the community managers. That's how it's always been. Expecting them to suddenly change an established pattern of behavior doesn't seem logical to me. Just to drive the point home, I think they should have sent an in-game notice - but I would absolutely 100% not expect them to and I can't fathom why anyone else would expect that. It's just not how they operate - it's never been how they operate.

For anyone that got burned by this, let it be a lesson learned - if you read nothing else on these forums, check once a week or so to see if there are in dev posts. It takes seconds to do so and apparently could save you "thousands of dollars" worth of gear. CG is not culpable here - we had WEEKS of advanced notice. They could have done more, yes - but they did as much as they've ever done in the past.

"Tellithowitis;c-2398920" wrote:
CG robbed people of thousands of dollars worth of farming and there is no way around it or sugar coating it

This is slanderous and absolutely false. No one was robbed of anything. No one took anything from anyone. CG told us they were going to make a change weeks in advance and then they made exactly the change that they outlined. Everyone had ample opportunity to insulate themselves from any and all losses associated with the change - which is precisely WHY we got so much notice. They hid nothing, lied about nothing, and took nothing from anyone. It's unfortunate that some people didn't know about it - that is in no way CGs fault - get into a more attentive guild, or start checking the forums regularly and become the "forum scout" for your own guild to avoid this kind of thing in the future.

"CG told us", they told YOU, the forum user not everyone. How can you say:" I'm the only one in a guild of 50 people who reads the forums" and then say that?

Yes they robbed us of mats this isn't just standard inflation this is literally cutting our value in half over night. If the government decided to half the value of your dollars over night while keeping the costs of everything the same, you've been robbed and there is not way around it

A. That’s not how the “value of your dollars” and the “costs of everything” work, so it’s not a good working analogy.

B. Ignoring the point above, that is exactly how it works. The government doesn’t mail you a letter saying “Hey, we’re about to xyz…”. No, they post it publicly as required by law, and you hear about it by checking the public information, hearing about it from a friend, or reading it in the news. It’s not robbery, shady tactics or anything nefarious. One line of communication, so there are no miscommuncations or mixed signals. If you choose to ignore that line of communication, for whatever reason, intentional or not, it’s on you - not the government.

C. Relics have been around for ~3.5 years. Whatever you might have actually saved up, it’s not 3.5 years worth or you’re playing the game wrong. Stop being dramatic.

Id disagree.

They should have made an announcement in game. They really did screw over anyone who didnt go to the forums or talk to forum users.

Am I crazy to think the simplest solution would have been to double our existing inventory? Easy math to double n half. I’m one that did salvage, but going through every piece of gear, deciding what to salvage was a time suck.

I normally find cgs communication lacking and solutions problematic at best. However in this instance I felt they sufficiently communicated the change and gave enough time for the player base to digest and communicate the information beyond the forums. The doubling of our inventory was uncalled for given how much lead time they gave. Would it have been better to communicate something in game or to be more direct about the effect of the changes? Absolutely, but I don’t think it was necessary either as the effect was obvious as was the solution.

"Tellithowitis;c-2398950" wrote:

"CG told us", they told YOU, the forum user not everyone. How can you say:" I'm the only one in a guild of 50 people who reads the forums" and then say that?

The point was that you, or SOMEONE in your guild checks the forum and gives the guild a heads up about important things that are happening (new GL requirements, new characters, new omicrons, free stuff, event calendar, etc.) and if that's not true, maybe that's a weakness in your guild - thankfully it's a simple thing to improve. CG has always done things this way - this isn't new behavior. If someone isn't putting out this kind of information in guild chat and/or a guild discord server then, again - you should either do it yourself of find a guild that actually cares about keeping their players informed. Take it as a lesson learned and an opportunity to step your game up.

"Tellithowitis" wrote:

Yes they robbed us of mats this isn't just standard inflation this is literally cutting our value in half over night. If the government decided to half the value of your dollars over night while keeping the costs of everything the same, you've been robbed and there is not way around it

You can keep saying it but it's still completely false - why doesn't that bother you? If they actually cut your gear in half, then you would be closer to making an argument that we were "robbed" - but no one took any gear from you or anyone else. You can still put all that gear on characters that need it. The value as gear was retained (which is also, incidentally why they didn't double the gear in your inventory).

Seriously, the problem here isn't CG. It's people expecting CG to act differently from the way CG has always acted. They're not great at communication (though there's an argument to be made that they're getting better), but they are pretty reliable with the communication methods that they do employ. You can generally expect big changes to be announced on the forums long before there is any kind of in-game change made. People ignore the "Dev Announcements and News" forum at their own peril.

Players are often referred to as "free to play". We all know this isn't true. We just pay with collection of online data, all apps have Facebook code in them to do this. Those of us that have saved up the stash over the years, they've had years of making money off us whilst doing it. To effectively screw over the older player, giving newer ones an effective boost is just really poor.

It seems somewhat interesting that people who do regularly post on the forums complain about something which was pretty clearly communicated on the forums. With plenty of notice given too.

I didn’t read these forums myself until about a year ago. Then I noticed that multiple updates in-game stated that for more information I should check posts in the forums. I did so, and lo and behold there was indeed a bounty of additional information. If you want to know what’s going on in the game, read the forums. CG say that regularly. They give enough in game, and tell us where to find the rest. It’s not their fault if people are too lazy to go and find the information, it’s not exactly hidden.

"MaruMaru;c-2399104" wrote:
stashing crazy amounts isn't a skill .

Stashing crazy amounts while still being competitive in all game modes is absolutely a skill.

I think his point was that stashes can fluctuate based on circumstance. I usually have between 1k and 2k carbs. But upon finishing Jabba reqs, I had less than 50. And I'm already back up over 1k. So despite me being a generally good hoarder, doubling the stash at a bad time for me would make me a sad panda. Again, I think this was his point as another reason why doubling stashes would be a bad idea.

I wasn't in favor of stashes doubling. But given the advanced notice, if they were getting doubled, I would have just postponed all my gearing for a month until stashes were doubled. Of course, CG doesn't want us doing that either.

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2399136" wrote:
I think his point was that stashes can fluctuate based on circumstance. I usually have between 1k and 2k carbs. But upon finishing Jabba reqs, I had less than 50. And I'm already back up over 1k. So despite me being a generally good hoarder, doubling the stash at a bad time for me would make me a sad panda. Again, I think this was his point as another reason why doubling stashes would be a bad idea.

I wasn't in favor of stashes doubling. But given the advanced notice, if they were getting doubled, I would have just postponed all my gearing for a month until stashes were doubled. Of course, CG doesn't want us doing that either.

I think that's a fair point and I agree - but I don't think TVF was responding out of context, nor did his comment deserve the response that it got. I think at least some of us can see why doubling everyones stash would be a bad idea.

Sorry for double post. But I just realized that even if they doubled the stashes, without an in-game notification, people would still get upset. Because they might have just dumped a stash on GL reqs right before it happened :D

Maybe someone already made this point, sorry if I'm repeating. But yeah, I think the only thing I wish CG had done differently here is sent an in-game message that there were major changes coming and to check the forums for details. But I also still think anyone who wants to take this game seriously needs to at least follow dev announcements on the forums, for realz