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x0797mjs3
10 years ago

Echo fix now makes cody useless + clone nerfs

So the latest patch "fixed" echos assist ability:

Fixed a bug with Echo's Follow-Up ability that allowed allies that weren't currently taking their turn to grant Echo Assists.

As cody relies on these assists to drop his assist cooldown, they now practically ensure he will only be able to recoup 5 of the 8 turns if everything crits.

This is not only a massive nerf to cody who is already arguably weak and non competitive, this is a nerf to clones in general, a pretty big one. Cody is already extremely squishy and slow, his only concession was his assist ability.

Clone teams were just on the edge of viability before this. This will now seal them from any high level competitive play.

I strongly request a rework to these abilities especially cody. Clearly any of the balancing done on these characters were simulated using echo's defect.

This is now p2p toons nerfed severely in 1 update. We need some answers why this keeps happening. These guys were not even OP by a long shot, anyone can attest to this.

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  • djvita09's avatar
    djvita09
    10 years ago
    "Zaltais;597194" wrote:


    Other than Rex and Sun Fac, have there been any new chromium or Aurodium heroes released that aren't super buggy, nerfed or just completely broken? Guess we can't even count Rex since his abilities didn't even work right out the gate.


    B2 has been great for me.
  • jrivera2169's avatar
    jrivera2169
    10 years ago
    "Josh_K;597230" wrote:
    Echo was released months ago, this bug was a feature all the way until now. Conversations I have had with devs said that at the time, people complained about how weak echo was and wanted him buffed. In response, they pointed out that their simulations (yes they do actuslly do some testing) of echo for balancing showed that he was competitive but balanced.

    Now, if a character is balanced based on a bug or feature, irrelevant at this point, and then some time later that is removed with no mitigation, this has an impact on the balance equation.

    Enter cody, who's assist triggers the entire team, prompting echo to assist at a % chance on each of them, these additional assists will trigger cooldown reduction on cody's if they crit. Note that the additional assists are not guaranteed at 60% chance and neither are they guaranteed to crit. Practically, full clone teams reduce the cooldown on codys assist to an average of 3-4 turns.

    Now, it is also certain that cody balancing would have had echos feature/bug present during balance testing from CG. Look at the gif from codys official strategy post, u can see multiple assists happening out of turn.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/57424/character-strategy-cc-2224-cody/p1

    Note that these were also from supermods during dev testing.

    To drive the point home, fixes/nerfs are happening without consideration of the balance equation. We are purchasing something that is no longer balanced and we should demand that this is addressed.


    +1
    Didnt look at it that way
  • Palanthrax's avatar
    Palanthrax
    10 years ago
    "Josh_K;597230" wrote:
    Echo was released months ago, this bug was a feature all the way until now. Conversations I have had with devs said that at the time, people complained about how weak echo was and wanted him buffed. In response, they pointed out that their simulations (yes they do actuslly do some testing) of echo for balancing showed that he was competitive but balanced.

    Now, if a character is balanced based on a bug or feature, irrelevant at this point, and then some time later that is removed with no mitigation, this has an impact on the balance equation.

    Enter cody, who's assist triggers the entire team, prompting echo to assist at a % chance on each of them, these additional assists will trigger cooldown reduction on cody's if they crit. Note that the additional assists are not guaranteed at 60% chance and neither are they guaranteed to crit. Practically, full clone teams reduce the cooldown on codys assist to an average of 3-4 turns.

    Now, it is also certain that cody balancing would have had echos feature/bug present during balance testing from CG. Look at the gif from codys official strategy post, u can see multiple assists happening out of turn.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/57424/character-strategy-cc-2224-cody/p1

    Note that these were also from supermods during dev testing.

    To drive the point home, fixes/nerfs are happening without consideration of the balance equation. We are purchasing something that is no longer balanced and we should demand that this is addressed.


    It's insane, Josh. Who asked for an Echo nerf, seriously?

    And they fixed a bug with Vader's basic, which hits like a feather duster. But Teebo remains broken.

    I have every clone at max gear, including every piece of raid gear, Cody included. And that team is still not as effective as the standard Rey/RG composition.

    Once again, a change that nobody wanted or needed. It's their game, they have their own set of priorities and they will continue to operate in the vacuum of their studio.
  • roganban's avatar
    roganban
    10 years ago
    "Josh_K;597230" wrote:
    Echo was released months ago, this bug was a feature all the way until now. Conversations I have had with devs said that at the time, people complained about how weak echo was and wanted him buffed. In response, they pointed out that their simulations (yes they do actuslly do some testing) of echo for balancing showed that he was competitive but balanced.

    Now, if a character is balanced based on a bug or feature, irrelevant at this point, and then some time later that is removed with no mitigation, this has an impact on the balance equation.

    Enter cody, who's assist triggers the entire team, prompting echo to assist at a % chance on each of them, these additional assists will trigger cooldown reduction on cody's if they crit. Note that the additional assists are not guaranteed at 60% chance and neither are they guaranteed to crit. Practically, full clone teams reduce the cooldown on codys assist to an average of 3-4 turns.

    Now, it is also certain that cody balancing would have had echos feature/bug present during balance testing from CG. Look at the gif from codys official strategy post, u can see multiple assists happening out of turn.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/57424/character-strategy-cc-2224-cody/p1

    Note that these were also from supermods during dev testing.

    To drive the point home, fixes/nerfs are happening without consideration of the balance equation. We are purchasing something that is no longer balanced and we should demand that this is addressed.


    Some excellent points there my friend.
  • 090084fd65118ebe's avatar
    090084fd65118ebe
    New Adventurer
    10 years ago
    "Josh_K;597230" wrote:
    Echo was released months ago, this bug was a feature all the way until now. Conversations I have had with devs said that at the time, people complained about how weak echo was and wanted him buffed. In response, they pointed out that their simulations (yes they do actuslly do some testing) of echo for balancing showed that he was competitive but balanced.

    Now, if a character is balanced based on a bug or feature, irrelevant at this point, and then some time later that is removed with no mitigation, this has an impact on the balance equation.

    Enter cody, who's assist triggers the entire team, prompting echo to assist at a % chance on each of them, these additional assists will trigger cooldown reduction on cody's if they crit. Note that the additional assists are not guaranteed at 60% chance and neither are they guaranteed to crit. Practically, full clone teams reduce the cooldown on codys assist to an average of 3-4 turns.

    Now, it is also certain that cody balancing would have had echos feature/bug present during balance testing from CG. Look at the gif from codys official strategy post, u can see multiple assists happening out of turn.

    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/57424/character-strategy-cc-2224-cody/p1

    Note that these were also from supermods during dev testing.

    To drive the point home, fixes/nerfs are happening without consideration of the balance equation. We are purchasing something that is no longer balanced and we should demand that this is addressed.


    Imma link this to my ranting post on reddit, f you don't mind.
  • roganban's avatar
    roganban
    10 years ago
    Echo assisting off of everyone using 212th attack was probably a bug. To me, its pretty clear. In that case, what cg needed to do was compensate. Either reduce the cooldown, in crease codys leader ability crit rate....something.
    I don't think you should showcase a character a certain way and advertise it as such, only to remove what made them effective.
  • roganban's avatar
    roganban
    10 years ago
    "warmonkey1024;597267" wrote:
    The total amount of damage in that gif is around 30k, do you really think you should be able to spam that ability EVERY time Cody gets a turn?

    And here is another thing, Cody can STILL spam that ability under the right set up.

    If all 5 clones crit + Echo's 1 assist + 5s' extra attack on speed down target, that drops the cool down to 1, meaning Cody WILL BE ABLE TO USE IT AGAIN IN THE NEXT TURN.

    Cody is not useless.


    Cant sugar coat this. Cody is now one and done. All things considered, he'll hinder your team.
    Man I was looking forward to cody too, a complete clone team.

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