They stealthily changed GAC so you can get promoted/relegated a division in the MIDDLE of your round of 3 matches. I can't seem to make sense of it, because you really can't be judged until you finish all 3 matches due to luck of matchmaking within your group of 8. Here is an example to illustrate.Three players finish the round of 3 with 1 win and 2 losses. Let's call them #5, #6, and #7.#5 lost Rd 1 to #3, lost Rd 2 to #2, won Rd 3 over #8#6 lost Rd 1 to #4, won Rd 2 over #8, lost Rd 3 to #2#7 won Rd 1 over #8, lost Rd 2 to #4, lost Rd 3 to #3So they all only beat the #8 player, and they all lost 2 to 2-1 players. Pretty much an equivalent performance (ignoring banners earned since that isn't part of the skill rating anyway).The problem is, player #5 can be relegated after 2 losses and then promoted after their win, while the other 2 players remain in their division the whole time. So one player out of 3 equivalent performances gets penalized for 2 days thanks to luck of the draw in matchmaking. The same scenario can happen in reverse for the 2-1 players. I'm really confused as to why this decision was pushed forward as it seems to be unfair in both directions - people getting less rewards than their overall performance should receive (after 3 matches are taken into account), and people getting more than they deserve after winning 2 matches in a row.

Yes you can lose 3 and not be relegated. I am referring to people on the fringe of the division.Skill rating is the same as record within a group of 8. All the people that go 2-1 end up with the same rating, and those 1-2 have the same rating.

"Jarule;c-2354696" wrote:"zatho;c-2354695" wrote:"Jarule;d-255439" wrote:They stealthily changed GAC so you can get promoted/relegated a division in the MIDDLE of your round of 3 matches.wrongUm no, this is not wrong. It just happened to me this past round of 3 matches.Saying they stealth changed it is the wrong part. It was announced that this was now possible.

"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.

"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others. Imho there are 2 reasons why:1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.

"Lumiya;c-2354739" wrote:"StarSon;c-2354722" wrote:"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others. Imho there are 2 reasons why:1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.The rewards after a fight in the same bracket are based on the division you completed the fight in.If you got relegated after a fight and win, the rewards is from that Division.For you it might be not much but think about people in lower leagues. They already get a lot less than people in Kyber.Less daylies plus less rewards for a win might be one more refresh they could make. Also, I still think it is unfair to have people in the same bracket fight each other yet give them different rewards for a win if one had the bad luck of being relegated while in that bracket.But what about the people who are getting more after getting promoted mid-round? Should we go back and thus cut rewards off from them?

GAC - Why promotion/relegation mid-round?

BgRdMF
3 years ago
Yes you can lose 3 and not be relegated. I am referring to people on the fringe of the division.

Skill rating is the same as record within a group of 8. All the people that go 2-1 end up with the same rating, and those 1-2 have the same rating.
Ima_Smakya
3 years ago
"Jarule;c-2354696" wrote:
"zatho;c-2354695" wrote:
"Jarule;d-255439" wrote:
They stealthily changed GAC so you can get promoted/relegated a division in the MIDDLE of your round of 3 matches.

wrong

Um no, this is not wrong. It just happened to me this past round of 3 matches.

Saying they stealth changed it is the wrong part. It was announced that this was now possible.
Persimius
Rising Scout
3 years ago
"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:
Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).

It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.

Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.
Persimius
Rising Scout
3 years ago
"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:
"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:
Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).

It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.

Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.

It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others.
Imho there are 2 reasons why:
1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.
2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?

1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.
2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.
littlemac2014
3 years ago
"Lumiya;c-2354739" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354722" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:
"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:
Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).

It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.

Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.

It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others.
Imho there are 2 reasons why:
1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.
2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?

1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.
2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.

The rewards after a fight in the same bracket are based on the division you completed the fight in.
If you got relegated after a fight and win, the rewards is from that Division.

For you it might be not much but think about people in lower leagues. They already get a lot less than people in Kyber.
Less daylies plus less rewards for a win might be one more refresh they could make.
Also, I still think it is unfair to have people in the same bracket fight each other yet give them different rewards for a win if one had the bad luck of being relegated while in that bracket.

But what about the people who are getting more after getting promoted mid-round? Should we go back and thus cut rewards off from them?
harvestmouse1
Seasoned Novice
3 years ago
"StarSon;c-2354747" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354739" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354722" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:
"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:
Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).

It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.

Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.

It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others.
Imho there are 2 reasons why:
1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.
2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?

1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.
2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.

The rewards after a fight in the same bracket are based on the division you completed the fight in.
If you got relegated after a fight and win, the rewards is from that Division.

For you it might be not much but think about people in lower leagues. They already get a lot less than people in Kyber.
Less daylies plus less rewards for a win might be one more refresh they could make.
Also, I still think it is unfair to have people in the same bracket fight each other yet give them different rewards for a win if one had the bad luck of being relegated while in that bracket.

If I start in K1 and I lose and get relegated to K2, I get K1 loss rewards. If I start in K2 and win and get promoted to K1, I get K2 win rewards. So I think we are saying the same thing here, and to me this setup makes sense.

The dailies different from K1 to K2 is 20 crystals. Not sure how that's a lot at any level? And what other people get affect me not at all, so I still don't understand how that comes into anything.

Well you could start in the same division as a player (that you will get in the next GAC), get relegated after your first match, win your next 2 and get promoted at the end of the GAC.

That would be 80 crystals different? Just off of one match. This change was just plain daft.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"harvestmouse;c-2354756" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354747" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354739" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354722" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:
"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:
Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).

It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.

Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.

It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others.
Imho there are 2 reasons why:
1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.
2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?

1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.
2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.

The rewards after a fight in the same bracket are based on the division you completed the fight in.
If you got relegated after a fight and win, the rewards is from that Division.

For you it might be not much but think about people in lower leagues. They already get a lot less than people in Kyber.
Less daylies plus less rewards for a win might be one more refresh they could make.
Also, I still think it is unfair to have people in the same bracket fight each other yet give them different rewards for a win if one had the bad luck of being relegated while in that bracket.

If I start in K1 and I lose and get relegated to K2, I get K1 loss rewards. If I start in K2 and win and get promoted to K1, I get K2 win rewards. So I think we are saying the same thing here, and to me this setup makes sense.

The dailies different from K1 to K2 is 20 crystals. Not sure how that's a lot at any level? And what other people get affect me not at all, so I still don't understand how that comes into anything.

Well you could start in the same division as a player (that you will get in the next GAC), get relegated after your first match, win your next 2 and get promoted at the end of the GAC.

That would be 80 crystals different? Just off of one match. This change was just plain daft.

Or the opposite happens, and you gain rewards instead. Then Who's daft?
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"Lumiya;c-2354929" wrote:
"littleMAC77;c-2354742" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354739" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354722" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2354721" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2354700" wrote:
"Jarule;c-2354699" wrote:
Correct, they did mention it in change notes. Maybe "stealthy" should be "unobtrusively", but I am referring to the change being made with no notice, no players clamoring for such a change, and no communication other than the change was made. If you didn't read the entire list of changes in the last update, you would have missed it (as at least one person here has admitted).

It was the fourth item in the list, with a bolded title line. Not sure how you could miss it. It wasn't stealthy, or unobtrusive, or without notice. And it's irrelevant that players didn't ask for it, because they make changes all the time that we didn't ask for.

Regardless, it doesn't really change rewards as much as people think it does, so it's not really an issue.

It may not be an issue for you, but it is for others.
Imho there are 2 reasons why:
1. CG said that you wouldn't fight people from other divisions anymore, yet with this change this is exactly what happens.
2. Of course it changes the rewards. The dailies aswell as the win rewards after each fight. I will not go further into detail about this, because I already did on another thread and I would like to keep this on topic here. ?

1. What does it matter? You were in the same division when you were matched.
2. I didn't say it didn't, I said it didn't change enough to be an issue. Dailies are obvious, and minimal. Round rewards are based on division you started the round in, and event rewards based on the division when the event started.

The rewards after a fight in the same bracket are based on the division you completed the fight in.
If you got relegated after a fight and win, the rewards is from that Division.

For you it might be not much but think about people in lower leagues. They already get a lot less than people in Kyber.
Less daylies plus less rewards for a win might be one more refresh they could make.
Also, I still think it is unfair to have people in the same bracket fight each other yet give them different rewards for a win if one had the bad luck of being relegated while in that bracket.

But what about the people who are getting more after getting promoted mid-round? Should we go back and thus cut rewards off from them?

As I said before. I was one who "profited" from that and yes, I would be ok with that. It goes both ways and it should be equal between those that fight each other in the same bracket.

It is equal. Based on their performance.
David64742
3 years ago
I don’t see this as problematic in any way. And it was announced pretty prominently by the devs.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"Gorgus;c-2354965" wrote:
I don’t see this as problematic in any way. And it was announced pretty prominently by the devs.

It's a completely arbitrary thing to argue about.