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"Arsenic710;c-1924207" wrote:
Posted this in the GAC Mega thread as well, but they need to see how unbalanced and unfair this has been for a lot of us:
I’ve been tracking each GAC rounds since it has switched. And much like many of you, I have been matched up with players out ranking me.
In GA I did really well and was constantly competing for 1st. Then with the change I’ve won 1 phase in a GAC. Even when players I’ve faced are moderately more powerful than me, 200K character power more and 6 zetas gives them 2 more full squads on me.
The worst match up I’ve had the player beat me in character power by 500K and 14 zetas. That’s incredibly unfair. But somehow we had the same Top 80 GP? Which some of my shard and guild mates said was their new measuring tool. This is way out of kilter.
Story of the game. If you’re not a whale and maxing out, you can’t compete. It leaves us with lesser rewards, which just furthers the gap that whales run away with. It shouldn’t be too much to ask that there is a better system for match making. I know things will never be perfect, but this current system is extremely broken.
he can have 2 million more GP than you...he can have 50 zetas more than you.... if you have a DR or padme or GG team he CANNOT beat with his entire roster then NONE of those matchup numbers mean squat...
he could have 5 million GP and you 1.5 million GP.... if you have an unbeatable GOD team NONE of that matters.... set your god team save rest for offense you win...
yes matchup numbers matter...but a lot of the time they dont
Prob 80% of the game had hopes of playing great and making Kyber well the reality is only 1 in 8 people if matchmaking works should ever make kyber.....
Most people should end up in Aurodium if they try.... and once there and you cannot make top 500 of Aurodium you should just set one team on D and try to stop a guy or two from making kyber... IF AND ONLY if your remaining matches are unwinnable.- I've been out matched every round in GAC, between 100k-700k facing one divisoin up. The matches are all close, win or lose, so I think it is working as intended.
However, when I see the division 2 leaderboard, most of them I am sure I can beat easily, so I don't see how they deserve to be on top of the leaderboard. Hopefully after exhibition, the rankings will make more sense. - For first place in this GA I am fighting a division 1 #130 ranked with 680 k more GP then I have. I am division 2 ranked #8400 !!!!!!! Bravo CG.....Bravo
- Did we get too few feats this week compared to the first 2 weeks?
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928114" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against.
your literally talking about 256 banners over a total of 4 GA.s if you max poitns on the extra team you have to fight there are feats worth more than that...
meh
Edit and the defense setting points.... still meh
Could that total in the end be the difference between 500+ or getting into top 500....
maybe but would be a rare occurance over a large sample size of GAC's
in current form that would cost you about 4 salvage in reward points....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage IMO"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928458" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1928360" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928114" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against.
your literally talking about 256 banners over a total of 4 GA.s if you max poitns on the extra team you have to fight there are feats worth more than that...
meh
Edit and the defense setting points.... still meh
Could that total in the end be the difference between 500+ or getting into top 500....
maybe but would be a rare occurance over a large sample size of GAC's
in current form that would cost you about 4 salvage in reward points....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage IMO
It's more than 256 points. And much more than 4 salvage. Where are you getting your data?
Its 90x2 on defense so 180 points.
Then 64x2 on offense so 128 more
180+128 is 308 per round.
308x3 is 924 points for 3 rounds of a GA
There are 4 GA in a GAC so 4x924 points is 3700 points people do not even get a chance to get.
3700 points will make a difference in if a lot of people make the barrier to aurodium or kyber. It also effects top 200.
crumb indicated the rewards will be much better in the higher leagues so I assume he means more than +4 salvage for making it to a top league.
This whole limiting combat cross division matchmaking results in the same outcome as the bug where people get 1000 points twice for a win. Some people just get to score 924 more points than others because they got to set more defenses. What's ridiculous is the trigger for this is how many ships does your opponent have and ships aren't even a part of gac, but they do effect someones division (enemy has less ships = lower division than you = less combat for you)
If I get to bowl 8 frames and you bowl 6 then we see who scored more points how is that fair?
I get 8 free throws, you get 6 then we compare who made more shots?
That's what GAC does
winning or losing your match has nothing to do with the conversation so please do not include GAC rewards for winning your indidivual match...
Your simply arguing over the 300 GAC coins "more" than your going to get over or under someone else....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage
lotta typing over 4 salvage.."BobcatSkywalker;c-1928480" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1928475" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928458" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1928360" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928114" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against.
your literally talking about 256 banners over a total of 4 GA.s if you max poitns on the extra team you have to fight there are feats worth more than that...
meh
Edit and the defense setting points.... still meh
Could that total in the end be the difference between 500+ or getting into top 500....
maybe but would be a rare occurance over a large sample size of GAC's
in current form that would cost you about 4 salvage in reward points....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage IMO
It's more than 256 points. And much more than 4 salvage. Where are you getting your data?
Its 90x2 on defense so 180 points.
Then 64x2 on offense so 128 more
180+128 is 308 per round.
308x3 is 924 points for 3 rounds of a GA
There are 4 GA in a GAC so 4x924 points is 3700 points people do not even get a chance to get.
3700 points will make a difference in if a lot of people make the barrier to aurodium or kyber. It also effects top 200.
crumb indicated the rewards will be much better in the higher leagues so I assume he means more than +4 salvage for making it to a top league.
This whole limiting combat cross division matchmaking results in the same outcome as the bug where people get 1000 points twice for a win. Some people just get to score 924 more points than others because they got to set more defenses. What's ridiculous is the trigger for this is how many ships does your opponent have and ships aren't even a part of gac, but they do effect someones division (enemy has less ships = lower division than you = less combat for you)
If I get to bowl 8 frames and you bowl 6 then we see who scored more points how is that fair?
I get 8 free throws, you get 6 then we compare who made more shots?
That's what GAC does
winning or losing your match has nothing to do with the conversation so please do not include GAC rewards for winning your indidivual match...
Your simply arguing over the 300 GAC coins "more" than your going to get over or under someone else....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage
lotta typing over 4 salvage..
Never mentioned winning or losing a match. Idk why u bring up random things I never said. Also its 3700 more points over gac not 300. Even one match vs a lower division opponent is enough to prevent players from making kyber league. You need to run the numbers before dismissing the impact.
I don't care about your numbers friend.
whatever place i end up in the person ahead of me get's 300 GAC coins. whoever finishes worse than me 300 less GAC coins.
I like interdivisional play. I don't see a problem with it..... post alllllllllllllllllllll the numbers and situations the downsides, the in's the out's the whathaveyou's.
In the end I like it so post away....
It's 300 GAC coin
GAC rewards suck period...all of it.
you all complain about the boo hoo aspect of I'm gonna lose out on 300 GAC coin by only making kyber not top 50 kyber meh meh meh
Rewards suck..... the more i read this stuff the more I think GAC sucks period...
But I like interdivisional play..... nothing you post could possibly ever change that"No_Try;c-1928492" wrote:
@Dk_rek 3k banners are tons. What about the difference between making to an upper league or not, is that 4 salvage too?
not for me...
1) can't make kyber and prob can't make top 500 of Aurodium
2) every single one of my opponents this final bracket has a "chance"
3) I can GUARANTEE none of my opponents this final match will make Kyber
4) the question is the best way of depriving them of points....
Set one team very strong deprive them of feats and stuff.
Set two teams same
set one cup team...
they all gonna need max points from the 3 matches.... what is the best way
That is all that matters -Conan"Gannon;c-1931193" wrote:
? finally got there ?
If I can do it, with no Darth revan or Malak, against exclusively higher total gp opponents with both every single round, anything is possible guys. Just try your best, look online for good counters and advice, and Focus those gac metas and it's possible.
whatever man....whatever..
(Serious congrats on making kyber tho) as to the whole "look at me everyone can do it thing...." whatever
That's not reality
