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9 years ago

Kylo Ren rework?

After playing First Order team for quite a while, I just noticed that Kylo Ren is the only First Order character that does not have any boost by having advantage compared to other First Order characters (even First Order Stormtrooper gets higher chance to apply speed reduction with advantage).

I would suggest that his Unstoppable skill be reworked.

At level 7:
Kylo has a 45% chance to reset his cooldowns whenever he is damaged. Kylo also does 20% more damage when he has Advantage.

Maybe EA/CG can consider this suggestion? At least it will make Kylo more formidable despite his low speed though.
  • "Guni;225556" wrote:
    My biggest issue with Kylo now is that in arena any decent Yoda player will give retribution to the whole team because Kylo ai will almost always lead with lash out and every player expects that.

    That's not a good way to deal with Kylo on a Yoda team.
    Kylo teams usually also have Sid, Dooku, Phasma and other debuffers. You deal with Kylo by putting up Battle Meditation to stop all the gunk, and then using Jinn to remove his retribution and give Offense Up to your team.
    I too thought Yoda would make Kylo into a liability. But it's actually Jinn that is his bane. The "everyone mobs Kylo" stuff is just for cutesy youtube videos.
  • "Qeltar;225567" wrote:
    "Guni;225556" wrote:
    My biggest issue with Kylo now is that in arena any decent Yoda player will give retribution to the whole team because Kylo ai will almost always lead with lash out and every player expects that.

    That's not a good way to deal with Kylo on a Yoda team.
    Kylo teams usually also have Sid, Dooku, Phasma and other debuffers. You deal with Kylo by putting up Battle Meditation to stop all the gunk, and then using Jinn to remove his retribution and give Offense Up to your team.
    I too thought Yoda would make Kylo into a liability. But it's actually Jinn that is his bane. The "everyone mobs Kylo" stuff is just for cutesy youtube videos.


    +1
  • It would be cool and more fitting if he got like a force freeze skill. The best thing about him in the movie was when he stopped that laser shot in mid air, or when he froze Rey in place. It could be a targeted stun ability, or something that removes turn meter.
  • He is fine as he is. Kylo is currently weak with a saber, his saber skills are terrible in the Force Awakens.

    When Episode 8 and we will see more of how powerful Kylo has become and most likely will have Vader's lightsaber. In Force Awakens he is less trained than a Padwan Obi Wan and has a more temper than Padawan Anakin
  • "Toukai;232262" wrote:
    "Smithie;232226" wrote:
    He is fine as he is. Kylo is currently weak with a saber, his saber skills are terrible in the Force Awakens.

    When Episode 8 and we will see more of how powerful Kylo has become and most likely will have Vader's lightsaber. In Force Awakens he is less trained than a Padwan Obi Wan and has a more temper than Padawan Anakin


    Wrong.

    He had already been trained under Luke Skywalker. He also killed every other jedi training under Skywalker. His force powers are beyond anything seen in the previous canon movies (able to stop projectiles mid air, where as Vader merely stopped them from damaging him with his palm). He is the only Sith to be able to enter someones mind and draw information out without using a mind trick.

    He is anything but weak.


    Firstly he is not a Sith, being trained under Luke does not make him strong. Because he stopped a blaster because of updated graphics and mind rape does not make him more powerful. His mind rape was an epic fail vs Rey and would be vs any trained force user.

    Kylo was slow and ruggish with a saber and explains how ill trained he was in both the light and dark, his saber from a DIY store say it all.

    Kylo didnt have any much dark side training. He was a padawan at best. I would imagine his force abilities would be natural high power being a grandson of the Chosen one.

    He was a puppet of Snoke and I would say that like Dooku and like Solo said Snoke is using him. I would except that Snoke will try and replace with Rey like Palpatine did to both Dooku and Vader.

    Considering he didnt know how to use his anger and hate in the movie and threw tantrums and made lost of bad desicions.

    Correction, you dont know if he killed every one of Lukes students how and when or who with so you cannot use that as a statement I am afraid. Episode 8 & 9 will tell how it happened as nobody in Episode 7 was there when it happened.

    Kylo is currently a Padawan Dark Jedi which lacks alot of training and has some serious family issues.

    From what I beleive that happened at the Jedi Temple is that Snoke used Kylo as a puppet and ambushed his fellow Jedi from the inside and used the knights of ren to attack from the front.

    I beleive that Snoke really wanted Rey (Luke's Daughter) but in the vision you see Kylo impale a guy with a staff. I think he saved Rey and put her on Jakku with the staff and wipped her mind and told Snoke he killed Rey.

    I think Luke gave up when he thought his daughter was lost and possibly he lost his wife to Kylo and fear of becoming what Vader became with his hate and his urge for revenge he went into hiding and gave up.

    When Kylo used the mind trick on Rey she reversed it on him and I think that is where she got all her knowledge of the force from and unlocked her powers.
  • "Toukai;232334" wrote:
    @Smithie

    I never said he killed every one of Luke's trainees. They clearly state he did kill them though. Whether he had help or not remains to be seen.

    He also has (cannon) Dark Side training under Snoke. How much? Well, that's unclear.

    Saying his mind thing was a failure on Rey is not a valid claim. Rey is a Marry Sue and written by a feminist. She knows how to bypass functions on the falcon, the most heavily modified ship in the galaxy, instead of the guy who actually modified it himself and has been piloting it for near 40 years (Han solo).

    She immediately knows where everything is on a droid or ship.

    She immediately, without ever having met or heard of jedi, knows how to use a mind trick, how to wield a lightsaber, how pretty much do whatever the hell she wants.

    Anyways, Kylo is most definitely above Padawan level, but not at Sith Lord level. Taking into account pre-history (non-canon) Kylo would be about on par with a standard trained Sith.

    If you are comparing him to Anakin being a padawan, you have to remember he was a padawan for a longer period of time than was normal due to the jedi council thinking he was #1 the chosen one and #2 possibly corrupted by the dark side which may have turned against them.



    I dont think Rey is a Mary Sue and I think it will be explained in the future movie and she will be Luke's child.

    I was comparing Kylo more to a Padawan Obi Wan and Apprientice Maul. Kylo at his current level I do not think he would best either of them in blade work.

    I dont think Snoke gave Kylo any training tbh, well not yet as Kylo didnt know the most important thing of the dark side on how to embrace his anger fear and hate.

    Dont get me wrong I believe Kylo will get stronger but in Force Awakens he was all over the place.
  • "Toukai;232497" wrote:
    @Smithie
    I actually think he would be on par with Padawan Obi-wan and Maul. He took a wookie bolt to the chest and was bleeding out before he began his light saber duel. Without the wound, he most definitely could at least keep up, imo. Whoever wins, though, is up to the writer :)


    The shot was more to the right lower adomen, even so I agree it was from Chewies rifle and he was wounded. But he was all the place and made bad choices and decisions.

    If you want to break the 4th wall about the writer lol that would be the same for entire Star Wars universe lol
  • Anyhow back to the matter on hand...

    Kylo currently 3 attacks

    Basic which can deal Heal Imunity.
    AOE with Counter Attack
    Extra damage when under 50% health.

    He has high HP & Average Speed.

    With the new meta arriving giving him more stats/powers would make him OP