Leviathan + Dagger vs Leviathan + Dagger = Unbalanced combat

Question

Now all Leviathan + dagger battles follow the same scenario. The first one to go wins. Because the developers don't want to balance these battles - they are too proud of the fact that they created the most unbalanced battle. Which they have written about many times. But before they tried to maintain balance in the fleet. Many GAC suffer because of this - people lose because of the unbalanced battle "Leviathan + dagger" vs "Leviathan + dagger".

duncan1919 · Answer

While I agree CG made a huge mistake with this, mirror matches are pretty easy and consistent even if the opponent goes first if you use Tie Reaper as first reinforcement for its turn meter removal as it effectively resets the coin flip.

People lose because they'd rather moan than google what is now a couple of weeks old solution.

lordzhedd · Answer

You're still ultimately at the mercy of a coin flip - and SOMETIMES if you stick with it and slug it out to the end you can still pull it out if you lose the second coinflip - but it doesn't change that the matchup is objectively worse than before they buffed dagger. And now there are fewer Levi counters and there will be GAC matches that are lost to a coin flip - not skill - just pure RNG - you lose. This is not the kind of meta we want - it's not good for the game.

I think people SHOULD complain about this, even if there is a "sometimes it works" strategy in play. It's a much bigger goal post move than the new update is but everyone's busy freaking out about that.

tenebrae-3626 · Answer

This. If I go first, I can safely put it on auto for the most part, the only time I play manually is when my Mk6 shows up so I can use its nuke ability instead of having the AI focus on the specials. As for going second, I've tried the Reaper thing, and it's still a coinf-flip as to which Levi goes first. One battle, I used Reaper, both Levis were then tied in terms of TM, my Levi went first the following two turns, the enemy Levi went first when it came to Ult, which ended up costing me the battle, especially since each time a reinforcement shows up after that two of my ships are stunned, and when the enemy Mk6 shows up it immediately nukes one of my ships, whereas before the "rework" it was 50/50 whether it used its nuke basic or focusing on its special abilities.I've said it several times already, with previous mirrors going first gave you an advantage, but even if you sent second you could and still can turn things around and win. With Levi, this is reduced significantly, the most you can do is get rid of the Bomber, and if you're in GAC hope you can clean up after that.

finalistic_kleo · Answer

When the second move, the enemy Leviathan blows the hangars, the caused by Tie Reaper will be destroyed after the call. Good tactics when playing from 2 strokes.

lordzhedd · Answer

Reaper's reinforce ability will still fire before it's destroyed - so it still resets the enemy Levi TM to be equal with yours again - so every cap ship turn after that is technically a coin flip to see who goes - but the only one that matters is the coin flip for ult.

It's not ideal. It's a workable strategy but still much worse than before.

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