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Leviathan mirror is bad game design. Horrible in fact

I have always respected CG's ability to create great character and ship game design. Most designs are good, and some are just brilliant (OG Zombie was perfection).
But Leviathan mirror matches (with Sith Fighter, but we all use that lineup) is a coin flip, whoever goes first wins. Every time. No skill - there isn't even a pack B) The only good thing about it is that the coin flip happens at the beginning of the battle #SilverLining
As you (CG) is looking at the performance of Leviathan against other fleets, could you please please please also look at the mirror. Remember, this is a battle your primary users play 5+ times each day, making it convenient should be a big priority. Look at the "auto able" JMK mirror matches for inspiration, the were the best!

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But Leviathan mirror matches (with Sith Fighter, but we all use that lineup) is a coin flip, whoever goes first wins. Every time. No skill - there isn't even a pack B) The only good thing about it is that the coin flip happens at the beginning of the battle #SilverLining
As you (CG) is looking at the performance of Leviathan against other fleets, could you please please please also look at the mirror. Remember, this is a battle your primary users play 5+ times each day, making it convenient should be a big priority. Look at the \"auto able\" JMK mirror matches for inspiration, the were the best!","body@stringLength":"776","rawBody":"I have always respected CG's ability to create great character and ship game design. Most designs are good, and some are just brilliant (OG Zombie was perfection).
But Leviathan mirror matches (with Sith Fighter, but we all use that lineup) is a coin flip, whoever goes first wins. Every time. No skill - there isn't even a pack B) The only good thing about it is that the coin flip happens at the beginning of the battle #SilverLining
As you (CG) is looking at the performance of Leviathan against other fleets, could you please please please also look at the mirror. Remember, this is a battle your primary users play 5+ times each day, making it convenient should be a big priority. 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Hope that they are able to strike the right balance.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2023-08-25T11:05:51.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-08-25T11:05:51.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":5},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4357044/message:4357045","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:105905":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:105905","uid":105905,"login":"ConnorMcLurk","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-05-03T17:15:30.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"messagesCount":2,"kudosGivenCount":53,"kudosReceivedCount":57,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:105905"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357046":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4357046","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4357046":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105905"},"id":"message:4357046","revisionNum":1,"uid":4357046,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4357044"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4357044"},"subject":"Re: Leviathan mirror is bad game design. Horrible in fact","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357046"},"body":"That is not really correct. The AI plays Levi VERY badly so you can use that to your advantage and play smart.

There are 2 common lineups: B28, Malgus Ship and then either Sith Fighter or Dorito.

No matter the lineup I always play with Sith Fighter. If your opponent has Tie Dagger in his lineup, he is lacking TM gain from Sith Fighter. So usually you catch up very fast if you lose the coinflip. Normally your Levis Turn 2 should be ahead of opponents already.

If you go against a lineup with SF there is a major flaw with AI as it will always call Mark 6 as its first reinforcement. That way their Mark 6 will not ever get his instakill.

So what do you do when you lose coinflip and even go after the rest of their ships? Just call in Dagger as 1st reinforcement. Afterwards even if you are still behind with the capship turns you will win. Because you can call in Mark6 even with hangars sabotaged as it will not die when its called. You get instakill and take out their B28, if its still alive. From there on out its an auto win even if they ult you. Havent lost a mirror in quite some time with this regardless of who is going first.

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\"ConnorMcLurk;c-2436174\" wrote:
That is not really correct. The AI plays Levi VERY badly so you can use that to your advantage and play smart.

There are 2 common lineups: B28, Malgus Ship and then either Sith Fighter or Dorito.

No matter the lineup I always play with Sith Fighter. If your opponent has Tie Dagger in his lineup, he is lacking TM gain from Sith Fighter. So usually you catch up very fast if you lose the coinflip. Normally your Levis Turn 2 should be ahead of opponents already.

If you go against a lineup with SF there is a major flaw with AI as it will always call Mark 6 as its first reinforcement. That way their Mark 6 will not ever get his instakill.



That's not true, it depends on what other RIs are there.
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\"TVF;c-2436185\" wrote:
\"ConnorMcLurk;c-2436174\" wrote:


That's not true, it depends on what other RIs are there.


Haven’t experienced it any differently than stated above in my Arena Shard. Most guys play with Sith Fighter. 1st RI was always Mark 6. When going against a Dagger setup 1st RI was always Sith Fighter and Mark 6 was 2nd.
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Mirror matches in squad arena is a lot tolerable since you can manipulate turn order by going slower or faster or so on which makes it easier","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2023-08-25T20:32:08.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-08-25T20:32:08.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4357044/message:4357050","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:31":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:31","position":34,"name":"Seasoned Traveler","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:43989":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:43989","uid":43989,"login":"Range1974","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-02-28T01:42:43.000Z","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":null},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:31"},"messagesCount":39,"kudosGivenCount":244,"kudosReceivedCount":248,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:43989"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357051":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4357051","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4357051":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:43989"},"id":"message:4357051","revisionNum":1,"uid":4357051,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4357044"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4357044"},"subject":"Re: Leviathan mirror is bad game design. Horrible in fact","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357051"},"body":"Connor is about 95% correct, rarely does someone place a bunch of non-sith ships on defense but i did have an opponent put the Ebon Hawk in their reinforcements. It screwed up the AIs normal routine and I lost.
I find it weird that the Mk6 can escape out of the destroyed hanger, seems like its a flaw or bug still. I hate the exceptions to the absolutes in this game, the list keeps growing.

Ultra - strongly disagree. This ship was advertised as the new king of battle, mirrors must be considered. Why should mirrors not be considered?
How are mirrors in arena fundamentally any different than GAC or TW? Arena is the main source of crystals for many still and many of us invested in the new meta-defining fleet to ensure we maintain those first place rewards. We have not seen a Levi in a TB yet. What fleet has an advantage when going slower? This entire game is based on the fastest turn over.

Simply code in that the live player goes first in a mirror match or if ship composition is identical, the larger GP'ed fleet goes first. The we just pile on relics until its a coin flip and defaults to live player. Unlikely that many are going to R9 all 7x crew members.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2023-08-25T21:08:54.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-08-25T21:08:54.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4357044/message:4357051","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:216729":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:216729","uid":216729,"login":"RagingMonkey057","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-05-11T13:13:01.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg"},"rank":null,"messagesCount":0,"kudosGivenCount":774,"kudosReceivedCount":776,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:216729"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357052":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4357052","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4357052":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:216729"},"id":"message:4357052","revisionNum":1,"uid":4357052,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4357044"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4357044"},"subject":"Re: Leviathan mirror is bad game design. Horrible in fact","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357052"},"body":"
\"Ultra;c-2436205\" wrote:
i don’t think mirror matches should be considered as part of design

Mirror matches in squad arena is a lot tolerable since you can manipulate turn order by going slower or faster or so on which makes it easier


Hard disagree - considering SA is largely obsolete, and mods are locked in other PVP game modes, I feel like this doesn't hold up too well.

Mirrors should definitely be considered. It's the spenders and the hard core players that get the new shiny right away - willfully ignoring the player experience for those people (and later, everyone else that gets the new shiny when it's not so shiny anymore) is not a smart move. My motivation for chasing Leviathan was to make my fleet arena experience better, easier, less prone to RNG failures - none of those things were promised so it's on me I guess.

CG clearly didn't want people putting SF in the starting lineup, or they wouldn't have coded MK6 to only come out 2nd if SF was 1st RI. But running SF to start is the only way to ease the pain of the coin-toss mirror matches. The problem is, once everyone brings Sith Assassin to max relics (and people will do it - not because they want to or because it's fun, but just to make mirrors less frustrating) we'll all be back to the coin toss nonsense. It's kind of perplexing that they didn't foresee this.

I'm sure dagger is a great ship but I never get to use it, in particular in a mirror. SF MUST be in the starting lineup and neither Fury nor B28 can be benched. For a brief window of time, not everyone knew that and mirrors were a breeze. Not so much anymore.

\"Range1974;c-2436211\" wrote:

I find it weird that the Mk6 can escape out of the destroyed hanger, seems like its a flaw or bug still. I hate the exceptions to the absolutes in this game, the list keeps growing.


I agree with most of what you're saying except for this. It states very plainly in the kit:
\"Mark VI starts with 10 stacks of Devouring Swarm, and can't be defeated or destroyed while it has Devouring Swarm.\"
If I'm not mistaken that text hasn't changed since Mk6 was released. So it's very intentionally designed to circumvent the destroy affect of sabotage the hanger. Annoying, sure - but definitely not a bug.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2023-08-25T22:33:04.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-08-25T22:33:04.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4357044/message:4357052","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:15":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:15","position":18,"name":"New Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:62744":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:62744","uid":62744,"login":"Whatelse73","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-05-31T06:35:01.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:15"},"messagesCount":221,"kudosGivenCount":1131,"kudosReceivedCount":1015,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":3,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:62744"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357053":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4357053","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4357053":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:62744"},"id":"message:4357053","revisionNum":1,"uid":4357053,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4357044"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4357044"},"subject":"Re: Leviathan mirror is bad game design. Horrible in fact","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4357053"},"body":"They took the coin flip of the executor and said, \"we can make this even more absurd. Straight to ludicrous speed!\"

It's dumb, plain dumb. If you get to takeover first, you win. If the AI gets to takeover first, you lose.

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\"Range1974;c-2436211\" wrote:
Connor is about 95% correct, rarely does someone place a bunch of non-sith ships on defense but i did have an opponent put the Ebon Hawk in their reinforcements. It screwed up the AIs normal routine and I lost.
I find it weird that the Mk6 can escape out of the destroyed hanger, seems like its a flaw or bug still. I hate the exceptions to the absolutes in this game, the list keeps growing.

Ultra - strongly disagree. This ship was advertised as the new king of battle, mirrors must be considered. Why should mirrors not be considered?
How are mirrors in arena fundamentally any different than GAC or TW? Arena is the main source of crystals for many still and many of us invested in the new meta-defining fleet to ensure we maintain those first place rewards. We have not seen a Levi in a TB yet. What fleet has an advantage when going slower? This entire game is based on the fastest turn over.

Simply code in that the live player goes first in a mirror match or if ship composition is identical, the larger GP'ed fleet goes first. The we just pile on relics until its a coin flip and defaults to live player. Unlikely that many are going to R9 all 7x crew members.


That is an easy fix.
Remove crystals from fleet arena just like squad.
Always put Levi on defense in ga and tw
Problem solved, mirrors don't matter anymore","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2023-08-26T00:12:55.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-08-26T00:12:55.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4357044/message:4357054","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1736524421398":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1736524421398","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1736524421398":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1736524421398","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1736524421398":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1736524421398","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1736524421398":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1736524421398","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1736524421398":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1736524421398","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1736524421398":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1736524421398","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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