Limit TW Sandbagging

"Finch1221;c-1936842" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-1936839" wrote:
So if I’m on vacation or at a wedding or attending a family funeral and can’t participate in TW, the rest of my guild suffer?

Sounds fair!

The flaw is with the matchmaking, not either guild. A guild who allows members to not take part should not be punished, just the same as a guild who gets everyone to take part shouldn’t be punished.

The problem is guilds actively encouraging people not to join to get an easier match up, not allowing people not to take part ...

And other guild simply allow those, that dislike the game mode or are unavailable for the duration of the event, to not join the TW.

...and yea if you cannot join it is fair that your guild should suffer in what way is it not fair?

That wouldn't be fair. In what way is it fair?

Whats not fair is guilds who get everyone to participate just to be matched against a guild way ahead of where they are.

Ahead of where they are? How is that even possible?

I believe that if you are in the guild, you should be in the TW. The argument that a guild is punished for people not being able to contribute is ridiculous. The guild can be “punished” in every other facet for absence. The TB doesn’t change for how many active players. It seems that there would be less occurrences of absence affecting the outcome than the current manipulatable setup. Please CG, make it easier on everyone (including yourself) and have the matchmaking purely total guild GP.

This total gp solution is a lovely idea but how would you deal with someone just leaving the guild 5 mins before lock-in then rejoining? That’s what I would do if I was busy and it was going to punish my guild mates. It might make a difference at lower levels where people aren’t as organised/bothered but people would get round it if they wished.

"Finch1221;c-1936842" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-1936839" wrote:
So if I’m on vacation or at a wedding or attending a family funeral and can’t participate in TW, the rest of my guild suffer?

Sounds fair!

The flaw is with the matchmaking, not either guild. A guild who allows members to not take part should not be punished, just the same as a guild who gets everyone to take part shouldn’t be punished.

The problem is guilds actively encouraging people not to join to get an easier match up, not allowing people not to take part and yea if you cannot join it is fair that your guild should suffer in what way is it not fair? Whats not fair is guilds who get everyone to participate just to be matched against a guild way ahead of where they are.

Yes you can blame the matchmaking but it would be very hard to match simliar GP as well as similar members joined it would be much easier to work off of total GP and would stop these horrible mismatches.

Finally don't forget the less people who have joined the less you can put in defense so there is already measures in place for guilds when someone cannot join which at the moment further encourages guilds to make members not participate because then these lesser guilds don't have any advantage through strength or numbers.

Problem with what you're saying is then guilds can just manipulate their rosters. They can even kick guild members who agree to it and just inv them back after the TW. I get what you';re saying but there's already a 25 player minimum in place for the TW. It's like GA. People suggest "fixes" yet someone will always find a way to manipulate it to their advantage.

Another argument that cannot be won because both sides have perfectly valid arguments.
Maybe they should do something similar to GAC where it looks at the guilds top toons, i dont know but it's also not as easy a fix as you believe it should be.

No, it’s not “just plain wrong,” and you’re creating a straw man by saying I want to punish any guild without full participation. Total gp is a system that would be less prone to manipulation and would reward participation. Even matchups like you describe would be less skewed than ones like our current TW where a 200 mil gp guild is playing down to our 180 by manipulating the active gp system. And yes, many of the points raised by others above are actually valid. I happen to think your fairness claims are both overstated and flawed, but I’m not going to dismiss them out of hand.
Obviously there are multiple factors to consider. The problem with your arguments isn’t that they don’t have merit, it’s that you present them with unjustified arrogance. I realize absolutism is the hallmark of the forums, but it’s boring as kitten

If this is implemented, you would not be able to leave and rejoin to benefit your guild.

You would leave, and then they wouldn't let you back in, because obviously you aren't good enough.

Also, players wouldn't be asked to sit out a TW. Instead they would be cut from the guild.

How is that a good thing? Everyone in the guild has to be maxed out. No room for any newbies or anyone sub par.