I actually think CG did a great job on this one (just my opinion).Pre-Houndstooth I felt ackbar genoshans were the best offensive fleet in the game, Post Houndstooth I had to stop using ackbar period. I was running into situations where all I could do was just keep attacking with Genos and building protection and if I brought in a reinforcement it was just not enough to keep up until thrawn whacked my own HT... At that point Ackbar was the worst commander.Making the falcon super amazing but ONLY under Ackbar was a great call. I can now beat hounds tooth teams with Ackbar... I'm not destroying them but I'm capable of winning now....To be honest I'll probably not even use the falcon or Ackbar and stick with thrawn. But if I wanted to use ackbar I couldI think the ship is pretty perfect...I think they nailed the ackbar synergy....The kit is OP but only under the current worst fleet commander... To me that was Genius.I don't praise much but when I think they did good I can say it.I think they did a great job...

Other opinion here.They did a terrible job with falcon. Way to many op effects. Together with hounds tooth and ackbar nearly unbeatable in fleet arena. Fleet arena is destroyed now.Grand Arena and Territory War are also useless. The one with more op toons will win. No need to play, instead you can give the pay outs immediatly. Worthless time killing.Some say the game has its best days behind. I think that can be true, unfortunately.

Thanks for the feedback. Its good to know that i am not the only one, who is making up his thoughts about the direction the game is developing. Same fleet arena experiences for me.I really liked the game, but this changes with nearly every “update“ now. I think the main point is that i dont like the idea that every new toon have to be way better than existing. There is no need for. Little better would be enough for players to want them.At the moment the imbalance is becoming bigger and bigger and this journey took up more and more speed and will not end well. Sorry for my bad english.

"Starkomat;c-1758673" wrote:Thanks for the feedback. Its good to know that i am not the only one, who is making up his thoughts about the direction the game is developing. Same fleet arena experiences for me.I really liked the game, but this changes with nearly every “update“ now. I think the main point is that i dont like the idea that every new toon have to be way better than existing. There is no need for. Little better would be enough for players to want them.At the moment the imbalance is becoming bigger and bigger and this journey took up more and more speed and will not end well. Sorry for my bad english.Good english. And good post actually

i expect a legendary ship to be good, maybe even a great addition to so-so allies....but the falcon is not that. it is amazingly powerful. not only can it not b targeted but it assists too...but wait theres more...it also cleanses allies and dispels the opponent on a basic....has a huge health and protection pool and is one of the fastest ships.i unlocked it at 5* , you would think i was happy, even ecstatic. not so. because this ship is so powerful i can no longer beat anyone in my shard consistently....all those assists...ya, coin flip 50/50 rng because there is no strategy needed just a few coin tosses going ur way...i did not get revan but ive hit that wall in my climb in arenai got hmf but only 5* and now getting knocked off the wall(was able to get 1st everyday but definitely not unbeatable, lots of variety in my midgame shard)Fleet was fun and challenging, now a grind and leaves me wondering if i'll 'get lucky'i was a guppy now i'll b only f2pi still love this game, but not sure how many more of these pay events will keep me in that sentiment.....rip fleet....i'll miss u!ps ino there are counters for hmf, however none that i have yet and none consistant that ive seen....not arguing that point....i'm along ways from any of it and by the time i do the next thing will render that moot too. not against change or new content but this kind of over powered change is NOT fun especially when it removes almost all the strategy in exchange for luck. my new 5* hmf isn't completely worthless, there is tw and ga and tb i suppose...of course, thats not everyday either

This Falcon meta is the worst we’ve had in a long time IMO, for a few reasons:1) It’s heavily RNG based. This is like going back to the Old Ben or Maul lead days. Some battles the AI just decides you will have no chance and there’s nothing you can do about it. 2) It’s ruined fleet diversity. The great thing about the HT meta was that there were a ton of options to run. He fits into any lineup. 3 of the 4 capital ships were good. Now 47 of my top 50 in arena run Ackbar rebels. I don’t think we’ve seen that in arena since Thrawn came out. 3) You don’t need to have good ships to take #1. Because the AI plays these fleets so horribly, you don’t need to have good rebel ships to win. Pray RNG doesn’t screw you and wipe you early, call Cassian as a 1st RI to wipe buffs, call your Falcon to assist Cassian and wipe out their Falcon, and cruise to victory. It’s much easier to beat superior teams in this meta that previous ones.

My Falcon feedback 5-6* | EA Forums

dkreknumone
6 years ago
There are what 36 ships ??? 6 of them were useful for beating HT or you just get stuck behind doom wall....

Falcon is the same thing you have the 6 ships or you lose no matter what....

These are the same complaits i made when HT came out and whales were immortal till i geared hard counters

Falcons OP is same OP when HT came out in the end it just comes down to who goes first or 50/50 rng same as always

I do agree that unlike last 2 years there are people who will be unbeatable without major gear investment.... thats what CG wants.... it sucks but its never gonna change
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"Bulldog1205;c-1759110" wrote:

3) You don’t need to have good ships to take #1. ...

I don't think this is true at all. Falcon is good but if you surround it with garbage not only will you have a hard time climbing, you'll fall like a rock.

You need Falcon, strong rebels (tough since most of their ships are multi-pilot, meaning a heavy investment in marginal toons), and a pretty solid Home One as well. Which hasn't been on people's to-do list for some time.
Starkomat
6 years ago
Ok. You need some useful ships in addition. Its not said it has to be rebels, but they work better.
Most of the players in arena have these ships if they play the game some time. Cause these ships were handy bevor. And the toons they also have. Phönix for thrawn, biggs as first good ls-team...
Ackbar for haat stage 3. Some invest in home one maybe, but long time players like me have the stuff to top level all motherships. Bonus gear for ackbar and speed is the little difference.
Falcon is rocking the arena in many combinations. Some work better. Nearly all without him sux at the moment.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"Starkomat;c-1759395" wrote:
Ok. You need some useful ships in addition. Its not said it has to be rebels, but they work better.
Most of the players in arena have these ships if they play the game some time. Cause these ships were handy bevor. And the toons they also have. Phönix for thrawn, biggs as first good ls-team...
Ackbar for haat stage 3. Some invest in home one maybe, but long time players like me have the stuff to top level all motherships. Bonus gear for ackbar and speed is the little difference.
Falcon is rocking the arena in many combinations. Some work better. Nearly all without him sux at the moment.

Right - so the people that were doing best in fleet prior to the Falcon are now continuing to do well with it. Even those without it are still competing.

No one was sitting at 50, got the Falcon, and are suddenly in the top 5.
BTTripleZero
6 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1759329" wrote:
"Bulldog1205;c-1759110" wrote:

3) You don’t need to have good ships to take #1. ...

I don't think this is true at all. Falcon is good but if you surround it with garbage not only will you have a hard time climbing, you'll fall like a rock.

You need Falcon, strong rebels (tough since most of their ships are multi-pilot, meaning a heavy investment in marginal toons), and a pretty solid Home One as well. Which hasn't been on people's to-do list for some time.

But you don’t need strong rebels on offense. I’m using Cassian at G9/10 to take out the opposing MF. Cassian attack + MF assist + random rebel basic easily wipes through the Falcon. All you need to do is survive the initial onslaught, which can be done with HT if you don’t want to use rebels.

When I first got the Falcon I was running Falcon (G12), Bistan (G8), Biggs (G12) with Cassian (G8/9), and Phoenix (G12 Ezra, G11 Sabine, crap gear on the rest) on the bench with very limited omegas and I was able to beat 430k power Rebel teams at a reasonable rate. Yes, I would fall past 50 on defense, but I could climb on offense. Now I’ve got both Bistan pilots to G12 with 6 dot mods and I’m holding excellent on defense, so yes, strong rebels help, but they aren’t essential.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
G12 biggs, G12 Chewie and Han, G12 Ezra, G11 Sabine.....where are these weak rebels? Even Bistan/SRF at G8 represents a hefty investment in toons rarely used outside of fleet.
BTTripleZero
6 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1759526" wrote:
G12 biggs, G12 Chewie and Han, G12 Ezra, G11 Sabine.....where are these weak rebels? Even Bistan/SRF at G8 represents a hefty investment in toons rarely used outside of fleet.

G8 Bistan, G8 SRP, G8 K2, G9 Cassian, G9 Jyn, G9 Hera, G8 Zeb, G8 Chopper, G8 Kanan. Those are extremely weak rebela. And no, G8 Bistan ship is not a hefty investment at all. Now my G12 Bistan U wing...that is a hefty investment.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"Bulldog1205;c-1759540" wrote:

G8 Bistan, G8 SRP, G8 K2, G9 Cassian, G9 Jyn, G9 Hera, G8 Zeb, G8 Chopper, G8 Kanan. Those are extremely weak rebela. And no, G8 Bistan ship is not a hefty investment at all. Now my G12 Bistan U wing...that is a hefty investment.

I guess it depends on your fleet shard and your overall GP.

Bistan, SRP, K2, Cassian, Jyn all are toons rarely used outside of TB. Definitely low priority. G8-G9 Phoenix is not cheap, but at least more likely due to their being needed for Thrawn/TB/etc.

R1 toons/ships were rarely seen in fleet (esp Bistan) until Falcon came along. So it's not like anyone had any reason to be working on these toons if they had better things to be prepping for.
cannonfodder_iv
New Spectator
6 years ago
Pre Ships 2.0 Bistan had some love as a reserve. I am saddened by the MIl-f's disruption. It's done for fleet exactly what 2.0 was supposed to avoid - it's made battles longer and made arena more homogeneous. It's increased RNG frustration due to the high variability in assists and its own dodge mechanic. It's easy enough to beat, it's just not really fun.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1759609" wrote:
Pre Ships 2.0 Bistan had some love as a reserve. I am saddened by the MIl-f's disruption. It's done for fleet exactly what 2.0 was supposed to avoid - it's made battles longer and made arena more homogeneous. It's increased RNG frustration due to the high variability in assists and its own dodge mechanic. It's easy enough to beat, it's just not really fun.

Longer? I found that once I ran HT/Ghost/HMF under Thrawn instead of HT/XB/Ghost, my battle times went from 3+ minutes and at least 1 thrawn ultimate to about 90 seconds and not even a second reinforcement.

Maybe in some kind of Ackbar mirror match, but even pre-HMF those fights were 3+ minutes.