Paper zombie... [MERGE]

Easy Solution:

Change Zombie's 100% chance to revive to one based on her max protection. I.E. 60% chance to revive plus 1% additional chance per 1000 max protection. ***I actually am to lazy to look up Zombies max protection if geared... I assume 40k...***

So at G12 or perhaps G11 with protection focused gear, she would have a 100% chance.

Its a bit of a hack to force players to have her geared... But does do the job.

The problem with asking for input is that people who don’t understand how the game mechanics work still think their input is worthwhile because we live in an age where social media makes people believe their opinion on everything has value regardless of their level of education or knowledge on a subject.

Here is a hint: If your proposed “fix” involves making paper zombie useless while doing nothing to improve zombie’s usefulness at higher gear levels, it’s not a fix. If your proposed fix does not include some mechanic that will help a geared zombie die more often thus feeding Asajj and Daka’s uniques, it is not a good fix.

The decay mechanic mentioned above could work. I’m not sure if they will give us an active ability that lets us decide how best to use her for a particular encounter, but it would preserve the feel of the team while also rewarding the effort to gear zombie. The key thing to remember is that Noghtsisters aren’t OP. They don’t need a nerf. They have plenty of hard counters in PvP but also have some usefulness against particular tough squads that gives them a niche in TW. They are useful in some raids but not all. And to be used at the high end in Sith Raid, they require solid mods and a high level of attention and skill from the player.

I cannot find where I posted it before but zombie should just have gear refunded so whales and ftp alike can make an informed decision if they want paper or steel zombie.

"Drazz127;c-1613012" wrote:
They're just going to make Zombie so she dosn't count toward the stacks for Assaj and Daka.

I hope it’s not this.

Maybe a new ability that reduces NSZ to 5% health, inflicts undispellable Deathmark on NSZ, and grant other NS allies some cool buff (offense up) or TM

"KyloJarJarBinks;c-1615639" wrote:
I cannot find where I posted it before but zombie should just have gear refunded so whales and ftp alike can make an informed decision if they want paper or steel zombie.

What about new players? Everyone had the exact same info, and some of the players read forums/figured it out, while others fell for the trap of CG. How do you guarantee this does not happen to new players?

A suggestion for the paper zombie issue. To encourage higher level zombie, but to leave the nightsisters mechanisms intact, and not to over nerf. A formula for the amount to be stacked based on gear level could be introduced. Eg: stacking amount /144 x gear level squared. I'm running a g11 zombie, and can still get a decent score, between 10% & 20% of Nihilus depending on rng (and whether I make a mistake), in p4 HSTR. I'd hate to see that score nerfed too much, especially considering they're supposed to be encouraging higher geared zombie. My other NS are all g12 by the way, zzAV, zDaka, Talzin, Talia. I've stopped adding zetas, waiting to see what the nerf looks like.

Or have a zeta for zombie which allows her stats to stack, only available after, say, g10

Since we all know a change is coming to Nightsister Zombie.

I don’t usually start discussions like this, but I haven’t seen this before, and it just came to me today. I thought it was a good enough idea I would throw it out into the wild and see what kind of feedback it garnered in regards to overall utility, design balance, and the good old fashioned Law of Unintended Consequences for interactions I might have missed. (And hopefully get the attention of some designer types if it is worthy!)

Now, I am not a coding guy, so I don’t know what kind of challenge it presents that way, but the idea presents a new mechanic in character skill leveling - though not wildly out of line with existing in-game mechanics as some skills are locked until a certain gear level is achieved, and this idea actually mirrors the mechanic on ships where certain skill upgrades are gated behind the crew member gear level. Anyways...

New Nightsister Zombie Unique ability, “Thinning The Horde” (pardon the pun, sometimes I just can’t help myself...)

Lvl 1 - (unlocked at Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 1) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -20% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 2 - (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 6) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -17% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 3 - (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 7) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -14% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 4 - (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 8) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -11% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 5 - (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 9) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -8% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 6 - (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 10) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -5% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 7 - (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 11) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain -2% Offense (stacking)

Lvl 8 (Requires Nightsister Zombie Gear Level 12 - which, as always, also requires 7 stars) Each time Nightsister Zombie is defeated, all allies gain +2% Offense (stacking) (Omega ability. This could be increased to +5% Offense (stacking) as a Zeta ability instead)

Design notes:
I wanted to respect the game designers stated intentions of reducing the utility of Nightsister Zombie at low gear levels without too much detrimental impact on player investments in other Nightsister abilities - both of Assajj Ventress’ and Old Daka’s Zeta abilities in particular. (As they both retain the health gain from Character defeats, and Assajj continues to gain the Critical Chance increase even at low levels of this ability).

The initial very high negative percentage to Offense is there to offset Assajj’s Rampage Zeta out of the gate and encourage the player base to gear the character up quickly and avoid having her defeated a multitude of times, but still allowing her the endless revives. But as I also wanted to respect the Zeta investment in Rampage, I have it beginning to see a net return with Nightsister Zombie at Gear Level 7 (albeit only a 1% gain at that point, while all other allies are still heavily negative). Which, from my experience, most players could achieve with only a day or two of dedicated ability material farming (although if they chose to implement a version of this, hopefully we would get some notice to start gearing Zombie in advance).

The loss of Offense continues to quickly drop as Nightsister Zombie is Geared up, and the Offense gain for Rampage likewise continues to increase quickly to near it’s pre-adjusted levels until it ultimately culminates in a positive gain for all allies for taking out the much more robust Nightsister Zombie with a max level Ability. This should help offset the decreased number of times a tougher high Gear Level Zombie would be defeated and hopefully leave the Nightsister faction as a whole at similar levels of utility that they are now in regards to PVE/raid damage output, and should actually slightly improve the faction in a PVP environment. All this while requiring us as players to invest additional resources into another character - which while we may not enjoy it overmuch, is also ultimately a goal the game designers also have to meet to appease the ‘bean counters’.

Final thoughts:
I am sure the percentages could be adjusted for balance with playtesting if required, I tried a couple different scales on paper before settling on this batch. While I think I have avoided any gamebreaking interactions, I would greatly appreciate any thoughts or feedback on possible issues I may have missed, and if you think that this is a workable solution please feel free to comment and keep this thread visible where it might get some attention from the designers.

Thanks for reading!

How about if zombie ends her turn with a debuff she is instantly defeated and revived at 100% health, this can’t occur whilst she has taunt.

At the end of zombies turn she gains taunt, if another ns ally suffers damage zombie gains taunt.

This way it doesn’t matter if zombie is geared or not you still get the advantage of her dieing to help the team but geared zombies are rewarded more as they will be tanking more.