Quit whining

As far as I'm concerned, Zaul is just one more step on the stairs towards the team that cannot be beaten. The meta teams are getting exponentially more powerful each time a new team comes along, and I feel like eventually the devs are going to make a team that is so powerful that nothing else they can make will be able to fix it.

"NinFang;986119" wrote:
I don't see a problem with zMaul. i run full First Order comp (Phasma lead, kylo, foo, fotp, fost) all zetas, all gear 11, 7*. i Wreck all zMaul teams i face (top 5 in arena)
I honestly believe FO team is the strongest, but not many people know about it. Kylo is an absolute beast in a FO team. He pretty much single handedly takes out teams alone.

zMaul doesn't seem that strong unless you're Jedi. His dmg is OK against anyone not Jedi. Just stun, or shock him & he can't do much. If they have 3/4 sith. Kill the non sith, then you can attack the stealthed sith, or whichever one comes out of stealth.

Trying to take out Sith while they have non stealth allies is usually a mistake, unless you can stun/shock or OHKO them.

from what i understand the problem with first order is most of them need to be zetad from what i hear plus FOST/FOTP being hard farms. the hard farms are one thing but i cant see my self trying to zeta all of them not unless they do something about the terrible zeta drop rate. if you do manage to get a full zeta FO team though hats off to you.

" Just stun, or shock him & he can't do much. If they have 3/4 sith. Kill the non sith, then you can attack the stealthed sith, or whichever one comes out of stealth.

Trying to take out Sith while they have non stealth allies is usually a mistake, unless you can stun/shock or OHKO them. "
This works without Zavage on the squad. But add Zavage, and you run into a very big problem. He cleanses one other toon every turn. And he cleanses himself when he is critted. So against an all Sith team under Zaul lead, when it gets down to zavage plus one or two other sith, you can't use shock/stun, cuz Savage is cleansing 2/3 of his team every turn. And it is pretty hard for most any shock/stun based squad to kill savage, early. Seems like GK is essential. Wiggs OHKO can work but only with a superior speed modded Fett to go first for the block.

Zavage cleanses an ally no matter if he is shocked, himself. Shock stops him from gaining TM when hit (hopefully not critting him). But it doesn't stop him from cleansing an ally every turn. Then when you target that ally, you have approximately 99% chance of missing, stealthing him, and forcing you to target Zavage, again, critting/cleansing Zavage, and vice versa in a merry-go-round of poking air and getting annihilated. NH lead allows no crits from sith, so it should be one way to deal with Zavage-under-Zaul-lead more expediently. But those shards are not farmable, yet. I have played with 3 star NH lead, and so far it is no dice with my own toons vs Zaul/Zavage. (But it can whoop speedy Wiggs/Boba/Chaze as well as many of the current Rex meta teams!) So for a Zaul-Zavage heavy shard, there are not very many counters that don't include GK +- Rex or uber speed mods.

Every other cleanser is on 3+ round cooldown and can be both stunned or ability blocked. Zavage needs to be killed, and he is pretty hard to take down for a cleanser, especially under Zaul lead. If there is a stun/shock team that can actually beat Zaul Zavage with say EP, DV, and DN with more than 5% success rate, I would like to know more.

Let's see if my memory serves me here (ahem):

Nerf barris
Nerf barris again
Nerf sid
Nerf dooku
Nerf rey
Nerf Lando
Nerf wiggs
Nerf maul

...who'd I miss?

Oh.. More recently, nerf Baze. Forgot that one.

Who else?

"Carth_Onassi1973;986181" wrote:
Let's see if my memory serves me here (ahem):

Nerf barris
Nerf barris again
Nerf sid
Nerf dooku
Nerf rey
Nerf Lando
Nerf wiggs
Nerf maul

...who'd I miss?

kenobi, lumi, droids, NAAT, drop rates(jk), GW, mods(game), mods(forum), EP, QGJ, leia, geonosian soldier, ig-86, Royal Guard, SHT, jyn, rex, tfp, everyship, ayala, nihilius, oldben, solo, STH.

Gotta say I'm liking how people are adapting to the meta using currently released toons. I'm glad the zMaul meta is being heavily countered by Rex teams without the developers needing to release a new toons with 50 different abilities as a counter to the Zeta Maul meta.

The zMaul meta was pretty much the same exact lineup but with a Rex lead I've seen so many variations because the lead in itself is great enough that you can run toons you want instead of keeping it faction specific. A lot of people have phased out the Zeta Maul leads for Rex leads and if everyone starts running Rex leads they'll start using different toons to counter that.

As far as Zeta Maul goes, you don't even need a full lineup or the same squad or a zeta. You just need one toon as leader that needs to be well-modded and highly geared.

"Carth_Onassi1973;986182" wrote:
Oh.. More recently, nerf Baze. Forgot that one.

Who else?

WHOA....you totally missed the biggest nerf craze of all....THE POE META!!!!!!!!

"MLGebra;986277" wrote:
Dude people STILL cry about the Poe meta

It was truly the worst by far :) Early game there was very little diversity and no mods so it was like 95% whoever won the Poe coin flip at the start of the match won.

I understand why people are complaining. It's both the dodge and speed meta combined.