The basic experience of a game should be that when you achieve progress, you should feel rewarded and happy. In the past couple weeks I have been relegated in GAC after winning, and then given reduced rewards for raids. Just experientially…outside any rationales or math or conversion rates or screeds about managing resources better…it sucks. It’s the exact opposite of what achievement should feel like. That’s bad game design. And bad community engagement. Plain and simple. And it’s clear these things are tied together and that the devs have just decided that their primary tool to compensate for lost revenue from a smaller player base is to take away resources to make the smaller remaining pool have to spend more. Fine. They’re a business. Totally get it. But have to think there are some better tools to try to get creative with that won’t leave players feeling like they are losing out after winning.

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"Zakracoon;c-2421680" wrote:Totally agree mate, CG basically made the game better with the gear qol update months ago an instead of tweaking it down a slight notch they've taken away all of it, an made the old currency valueless. Unless they bring back normal guild currency, get1/2 mod slicing mats etc back into raid economy they're are going to see a huge drop in numbers which will end the game, and end it fast. 2 top ten players in fleet shard told us they were going back to casual play an not spending a cent or rouble until this all is returned. Forcing people to p2p is not how this game started but it looks like its how it will end it!Hard disagree - this game has never been more F2P friendly. You can earn a tidy crystal income in GAC as F2P where-as when crystals were in squad arena, if you weren't whaling (or had established a sizable hoard of gear and crystals) on every new meta team you were being left in the dust with little hope of catching up. In the early years of this game my strategy was to go after every other new meta - which gave me time to hoard in between but my crystal income was on a yo-yo string. That was awful. Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow. I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each seasonSeems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that markif the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow. I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each seasonSeems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that markif the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution. The solution is to put me back in K1.

"TVF;c-2421732" wrote:"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow. I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each seasonSeems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that markif the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution. The solution is to put me back in K1.Oh I see, you are the "I am the protagonist" type, aren't you?

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LordDirt
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
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zakracoon
Seasoned Traveler
3 years ago
Totally agree mate, CG basically made the game better with the gear qol update months ago an instead of tweaking it down a slight notch they've taken away all of it, an made the old currency valueless. Unless they bring back normal guild currency, get1/2 mod slicing mats etc back into raid economy they're are going to see a huge drop in numbers which will end the game, and end it fast. 2 top ten players in fleet shard told us they were going back to casual play an not spending a cent or rouble until this all is returned. Forcing people to p2p is not how this game started but it looks like its how it will end it!
RagingMonkey057
3 years ago
"Zakracoon;c-2421680" wrote:
Totally agree mate, CG basically made the game better with the gear qol update months ago an instead of tweaking it down a slight notch they've taken away all of it, an made the old currency valueless. Unless they bring back normal guild currency, get1/2 mod slicing mats etc back into raid economy they're are going to see a huge drop in numbers which will end the game, and end it fast. 2 top ten players in fleet shard told us they were going back to casual play an not spending a cent or rouble until this all is returned. Forcing people to p2p is not how this game started but it looks like its how it will end it!

Hard disagree - this game has never been more F2P friendly. You can earn a tidy crystal income in GAC as F2P where-as when crystals were in squad arena, if you weren't whaling (or had established a sizable hoard of gear and crystals) on every new meta team you were being left in the dust with little hope of catching up. In the early years of this game my strategy was to go after every other new meta - which gave me time to hoard in between but my crystal income was on a yo-yo string. That was awful.

Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.
NotRealUltra
Legend
3 years ago
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1
RagingMonkey057
3 years ago
"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution.
tvsfrink
3 years ago
"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution.

The solution is to put me back in K1.
M0st1yHarm1ess
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
"TVF;c-2421732" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution.

The solution is to put me back in K1.

Oh I see, you are the "I am the protagonist" type, aren't you?
tvsfrink
3 years ago
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2421749" wrote:
"TVF;c-2421732" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution.

The solution is to put me back in K1.

Oh I see, you are the "I am the protagonist" type, aren't you?

I am the single person, yes.
NotRealUltra
Legend
3 years ago
"TVF;c-2421750" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2421749" wrote:
"TVF;c-2421732" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution.

The solution is to put me back in K1.

Oh I see, you are the "I am the protagonist" type, aren't you?

I am the single person, yes.

This is your story and we are just background characters
tvsfrink
3 years ago
"Ultra;c-2421841" wrote:
"TVF;c-2421750" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2421749" wrote:
"TVF;c-2421732" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421698" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2421696" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2421695" wrote:
Relegation after a win or a streak of wins feels bad. That simply shouldn't happen. I don't have a solution for that but I agree that it's not a good player experience. I wish they would fix that somehow.

I mean, I have a (proposed!) solution and its not to shrink the K1 division each season

Seems like when it launched 10% of players were suppose to be in K1 and now the % of active players in K1 is way below that mark

if the intention of K1 was to only have 10% of players, then raise the ceiling back up again to top 10% of the players being in K1

That would fix the K1 issue - but only short term until they changed how the squish works. Adjusting the way the squish works would address the Win->Relegation issue, I think - but I don't know what that looks like and won't pretend to understand the math well enough to propose a solution.

The solution is to put me back in K1.

Oh I see, you are the "I am the protagonist" type, aren't you?

I am the single person, yes.

This is your story and we are just background characters

That i made up