Raid Handicap Tool Needed Yesterday

Why limit the players damage? it penalizes the players that will be the key to successful heroic raids.

A damage cap fixes "1" of the issues you will face by having a team you cant communicate with, but every new thing that comes out may cause similar communication issues and cause you to be asking for more "simple" fixes.

If much if this damage is coming after enraged that will soon change

They dont need a handicap tool, they need a toggle to just set rewards equal for the guild. If the guild wants to, they should be able to just give everyone in the guild the median rewards on raid completion so we dont have to continually come up with out of game methods to so much as get everyone a chance to even participate in the raid. This in an international game with international guilds and no filtering or communication. Its almost impossible to set a raid up as is where everyone in the guild can get rewards at all if you dont use out of game methods.

The challenge should be completing the raid as a guild, not competing within your own guild anyways. If you want guild based competition make it vs other guilds, not within your own.

"JohnGalt;906117" wrote:
Why limit the players damage? it penalizes the players that will be the key to successful heroic raids.

A damage cap fixes "1" of the issues you will face by having a team you cant communicate with, but every new thing that comes out may cause similar communication issues and cause you to be asking for more "simple" fixes.

It is not limiting the ability to play. That is what is going on now by not having it.

I have to tell my top players to back off.

If this raid damage cap was around they can play all the want with every attempt they are allowed and yet only the set damage will be met.

"medetec;906139" wrote:
They dont need a handicap tool, they need a toggle to just set rewards equal for the guild. If the guild wants to, they should be able to just give everyone in the guild the median rewards on raid completion so we dont have to continually come up with out of game methods to so much as get everyone a chance to even participate in the raid. This in an international game with international guilds and no filtering or communication. Its almost impossible to set a raid up as is where everyone in the guild can get rewards at all if you dont use out of game methods.

The challenge should be completing the raid as a guild, not competing within your own guild anyways. If you want guild based competition make it vs other guilds, not within your own.

If everyone gets the same rewards then there is no competition.

In what I proposed it is whover hits that cap first is ranked first.

"RancorPackGuild;906221" wrote:


It is not limiting the ability to play. That is what is going on now by not having it.

I have to tell my top players to back off.

If this raid damage cap was around they can play all the want with every attempt they are allowed and yet only the set damage will be met.

But why tell your players to back off in the first place? The 4m damage seems an arbitrary number. Is it to give those with lesser squads a chance to take top spot from someone with a stronger one?

If we're going to ask the developers to add a data-driven rules engine and/or workflow features, let's ask them to build something worthwhile, like the ability to customize AI actions, not add features to support Byzantine guild rules.

OP, that's not a terrible idea but it's not one, IMO, that will be high on the to do list.

As far as limiting players (I know this isn't really what you want to be talking about) I'm of the opinion you shouldn't limit players too much. If you have a guild that can clear a certain tier of the rancor or tank then let them run with it. The bottom will catch up to the top eventually. It could be through healthy competition, the desire to improve, or through learning from better or at least further along players.

I think once you start imposing limits on players that's when you start seeing the debacle that was HAAT. For instance, I was in a guild that had a rule of only one attempt at rancor and then 12 hours later a zerg. Everyone had that one team that was amazing but not much behind that. Then I switched to a different guild who had no limits on the rancor. I found myself scrambling to bring up other teams. Then the tank raid came out. I was better prepared for it with the short amount of time to build other teams than I would have been had I stayed in my former guild. In fact, we had little trouble completing heroic tank in my new guild and it took a while for my former guild to complete it. Why? Because of limits and lack of quality teams.

Whether you're trying to improve to the next level of raids or prepare for what's next, I believe that setting limits is counterproductive. Yes, setting an artificial bar where if I score 6 mil only 4 mil counts would help but until (if) that is implemented I would suggest not to set any caps on damage or any sort of other limits (like who you can or cannot use in a raid).

"JohnGalt;906265" wrote:

"RancorPackGuild;906221" wrote:


It is not limiting the ability to play. That is what is going on now by not having it.

I have to tell my top players to back off.

If this raid damage cap was around they can play all the want with every attempt they are allowed and yet only the set damage will be met.

But why tell your players to back off in the first place? The 4m damage seems an arbitrary number. Is it to give those with lesser squads a chance to take top spot from someone with a stronger one?

Because we have 49 players at the moment. In only a few short weeks top players will be able to solo the raid.

If I dont set raid restrictions, (something until now I have only had to do at the end of Tier 5) then people will solo the raid before people get a chance to complete it.

Setting 24 hr 0 score and player damage caps is logical.

But not if 1/3rd of the guild cannot tead it.

That is the point. As I clearly put out at rhe top in the original post.

These are not restricions of want. They are necessary part of Guild evolutuon with no raid damage handicap available.

I don't want to delete a third of my guild. But I also don't want that third soloing the raid before anybody gets a chance to get on board.

"RebelBass;906296" wrote:
If we're going to ask the developers to add a data-driven rules engine and/or workflow features, let's ask them to build something worthwhile, like the ability to customize AI actions, not add features to support Byzantine guild rules.

It is not limiting the ability to play. That is what is going on now by not having it.

I have to tell my top players to back off.

If this raid damage cap was around they can play all the want with every attempt they are allowed and yet only the set damage will be met.

But why tell your players to back off in the first place? The 4m damage seems an arbitrary number. Is it to give those with lesser squads a chance to take top spot from someone with a stronger one?

Because we have 49 players at the moment. In only a few short weeks top players will be able to solo the raid.

If I dont set raid restrictions, (something until now I have only had to do at the end of Tier 5) then people will solo the raid before people get a chance to complete it.

Setting 24 hr 0 score and player damage caps is logical.

But not if 1/3rd of the guild cannot tead it.

That is the point. As I clearly put out at rhe top in the original post.

These are not restricions of want. They are necessary part of Guild evolutuon with no raid damage handicap available.

I don't want to delete a third of my guild. But I also don't want that third soloing the raid before anybody gets a chance to get on board.