Running out of Salvage?

"MaruMaru;c-2172624" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2172569" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2172396" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2172381" wrote:
It seems the "average player" may be relicing some characters further than needed because they have the material. Now that the salvage is becoming more scarce to them, they may need to decide which characters need the relics the most.

Jkl may be an example. Maybe TFV can beat anything he needs JKL for with R3. Assuming you have a GL for arena and can get through the ls tb with jedi Luke at R3, then there isn't a lot of other benefit other than a GAC counter (which may work fine at R3 or R5 I don't know). And if you are relicing just for GAC, you are getting a poor return on investment. Assuming you are in DIV 1 and can get kyber (which doesn't require a lot of reliced toons or any GLs), you get pretty close to the maximum rewards. Anything above that threshold is simply bragging rights.

And even for TB, an arguement can be made that putting lower relics on multiple teams will give more benefit than R7 on a few meta characters.

And having all 4 GLs may be good for bragging rights but doesn't provide much else. You can crush it in arena with only one. Or run a counter team and still do just fine.

They work in tb but 13 to 15 relics for one tb team is pretty steep for the added rewards.

I generally try to make sure that anything I relic will make a difference in some aspect of the game. I'm going for papa palps because I'm closer and it will cement a good arena ranking for awhile and give me most of an imp trooper team to beat assault battles and ds tb.

I'll probably do jml after that for some better ls teams since my ls needs work. But I will be choosy at first on which toons I do since at that point I won't likely need to worry about arena.

After that. I may go after Rey or Kylo but it's doubtful at that point. Getting jml and papa palps puts you in pretty good shape with both tbs and assuming one of them can solo hstr as well (which is likely since most new characters are better) there really isn't enough benefit to go back and get them. Not enough to be worth relicing 30 characters at least.

I'm a day 1 f2p with 6.4m gp and 59 toons at relics. I may have put a leash on it and kept at 6.0m gp, but lower than that would be roster stagnation just to not get bottlenecked with these. I'm not bottlenecked yet either, but going there for sure. Naturally you can guess r3 jkls don't cut it at this gp.

I'm not arguing that you have to go nuts to hit the bottleneck. But it does make it where you hit it sooner.

I'm not a day one player. The game was about a year along when I started and I took an 8 mo break recently after the malak fiasco (the reason I don't have any GLs). And my GP is almost 5 mil.

So I don't doubt that 6 mil for day one ftp is a fairly low gp as things go. Though, the first year I missed likely didn't affect gp that much since max gear at the time was relatively low.

Anyway, I was just pointing out that some with the issue may have reliced some toons a bit too eagerly for GAC. What seems vital today is only ok a year from now and trash 2 years from now.

For example, anyone that has reliced Phoenix has no one to blame but themselves. There are other teams as well that are questionable but Phoenix is the example. When relics came out, many were still using Phoenix for gac but they had little use elsewhere. So relicing them was probably solely for gac at the time. Now they are pretty much useless.

I'd even argue that relicing some meta teams isn't necessary. I only recently unlocked GAS and mine will probably sit at five stars for awhile due to GLs. I don't need him for arena. I will probably star and relic him when I'm done with papa palps but only him. The rest of the 501st probably not. I can relic one character and put him in as a GL counter or I can relic 5 and have him as a GL counter and a decent GAC team under shak to.

But in six months that team will only be ok. So I'm going to skip it. And I know they are needed for ls tb but I haven't seen anything in Ki Amundi's kit that justifies 5 high relic characters to unlock.

I wasn't talking about whether any gp is ok for any terms of playing&spending. It's just about individual developing speed. My philosophy is the game shouldn't be pushing you to hoard too much. For the examples you gave, I had them at the time they were necessary for arena and arena is the thing that makes me develop so fast.

Naturally anything drops down a tier of quality as time passes and even metas falls to obscurity in 2 year intervals. It's logical for a player coming from behind these tides to skip some of those and try to foresee what will hold longer. And just as naturally you can't expect older accounts start skipping what's good at any moment.

To an extent. You can't have every marque instantly at 7 stars and reliced and be ftp even with a launch account. So you still have to choose to either skip certain teams or whale.

And you can stay competitive in arena by skipping about every other meta or so. So it isn't necessary to chase every meta.

For example, you could have skipped GAS and hoarded for Rey with little immediate consequence. Assuming you have Darth revan, you can throw raid han in there at g12 and counter most GAS teams. Yeah your climb is more difficult for awhile but it is manageable.

And if you have Rey or Kylo, you can skip the other with no consequence in arena. You can probably skip the new ones if you have Rey or Kylo and still do ok.

Now I'm not saying endgame ftp players should skip every other meta. But with the ever growing requirements for a new meta, it may be needed from time to time.