Sith raid - fatigue

Agree with everything here; the first sith raid we ran we had 100% participants. Now lucky to have 5 people try. Top 5 have scored ranging from 10-50m. The rest 1m or less. In t4.

I despise this raid! Our guild does tier 3 strictly because it only takes us a day to do it and might as well get some guild store currency out of it rather than sitting on a higher tier for 93 weeks. Nobody has quit in my guild because of it (thank god) but nobody likes it on the slightest, for all the reasons mentioned above

The raid should have been great. There are great characters there, a great background story. Everyone wanted something with new rewards to go after.

Then the raid debuts, and it's so ridiculously difficult that it's no fun. (not difficult in terms of complexity, as someone said above, just artificial difficulty - even when you're doing it right it's nigh-impossible).

Then there's a very significant nerf almost immediately to a 'strategy' which apparently nobody noticed in testing.

Then we find out that the rewards suck. Just plain suck, for the amount of effort and the power of the characters needed to succeed in it. I mean, obviously there's a problem with the rewards if guilds are just autoing it at T3 because nobody wants to slog through the fights for what you're getting in return.

Apart from these, the gameplay in the raid is just not fun. Like someone said, it's not all terrible, but Nihilus in particular, you just stand there and get beat down. The guild zergs him to death. Yawn.

Sorry to be negative, but many of us have invested a lot of time, if not money, over the last couple of years, in SWGOH. It's disappointing to see so much effort to cravenly monetize new content (i.e. the vet smugglers) vs. deliver compelling content that will cause people to want to keep playing and generate revenue for them in a net-positive way.

I wasn't excited for a new raid in the beginning because I knew it was going to be outrageously difficult. We have to consider that the HAAT was made back before there was G12, Zetas, or any of the top tier characters we have today (CLS, JTRey, Thrawn, BB8, etc) were even a thing and there are still a considerable amount of guilds out there who don't even come close to being able to beat HAAT. This raid being made with those things in mind, it's little wonder that it's so punishing.

That said, in the beginning I hated the Sith Raid. Despised it. I've slowly come to be more tolerant of it as configurations have been discovered that make each phase a bit more doable.... But even then, the gains are so small, it's hard to feel like you're actually accomplishing much. On top of that, the process of defeating the Heroic raid seems currently restricted to guilds with 120+ million GP (that's actually a low-ball figure), with 50/50 participation, utilizing teams that most people don't want to invest a lot in (Pao, Nightsisters and Phoenix teams, for example).

Since even in a 90 million GP guild, we don't have much hope of completing a Heroic raid any time soon, there is little to bother with doing as far as the Sith Raid is concerned except grinding our way through it constantly. Hopefully the update to the rewards will make it more tolerable, but I am very skeptical of that. The rewards I'd personally require to make me want to continue slogging through what I consider a very boring raid with very little room for individual improvement are most likely not anywhere near being close to what the developers would consider reasonable.

Boring, grindy, unfun. The raid requires not only a huge amount of time, but it requires intense attention to do properly, even when you should be massively outgearing it, simply because of the annoying mechanics.

I don't mind when things are hard but here...
a) Can't do anything because you are pigeonholed into a few teams due to them being immune to almost everything
b) There is a huge random factor involved sometimes that makes you need to restart and do it again
c) The raid is too complicated for a mobile game.

In my guild people barely do it, and I see more players quitting now than at any point in the past year. I can't blame them, this raid is bad, and increasing the rewards isn't going to make it better.

It’s mainly just the phases with Nihilus. His mechanics just beat down players’ morale. No one minds doing phases 2 and 3 or phase 4 after Nihilus is dead. Not being being able to hit him with basics s lot of the time, getting punished for characters counterattacking, and unpredictable annihilates just make people not want to do it. It’s simply not fun. Everything else with the raid is fine in my opinion.

It's a long, boring slog with meagre rewards.

Many in our guild don't bother.

Agree with most on this thread, the raid is just simply boring and annoying.

I know CG hyped it up about being a year in the making and all that but in reality... how can that possibly be true. I wouldn't even believe it took a month to produce.

You play your 5 teams everyday and you have to play the only ones that really work each phase... (JTR/NS/Troopers). Where as in HAAT you have multiple teams that work for each of the phases which makes it more fun as its not a rinse and repeat job like the sith raid.

The only reason I even contribute to the sith raid is for the guild itself so it is finished quicker. Unlikely rewards update will make it worth while.

I'm the guild leader of a 110m GP guild with two >2m GP accounts in the guild and I just can't force my self to play all battles on both accounts regularly....and we're doing T5 regularly - like we finish one and right away start another....i am developing teams for Heroic on both accounts but I just don't have the desire to play it....

I just can't make myself do more than 1 or 2 battles a day, and definitely not during phase 1. My time to spend on the game is limited enough, I'm not going to spend an hour on the worst raid experience the game has to offer.

Nihilus is a train wreck of a fight, where you can't really get into a rhythm and I just feel a mild dose of anxiety every time I do it as I watch his annihilate cooldown bounce around and hope the toon with the buff gets a turn to soak it before then. Mostly I'm annoyed because auto doesn't yield even minimum results, so I can't even let it run while I work/focus on something else. Nope, I have to stay glued to it the entire time.

I don't mind phase 2 and 3 so much, as I have useful teams for those (troopers in phase 2 is actually kind of fun). Problem is, everyone piles on for those two phases and they go down quick, then we're back to no one wanting to finish it off.

I get that new raid content being more difficult is a necessity, but the mechanics of this raid punish every single team we've been encouraged to build up till now pretty much and as a result it actually feels like punishment to grind out. They could add Treya shards to t6 and I'm pretty sure it would hype people for a couple weeks, then we'd be back to no one caring again, despite how essential to arena that toon is looking to be.