So CG thinks this is exceptionally well??

NO

"FurytheOriginal;c-2434589" wrote:
Just give Merrin's abilities relic requirement and call it a day...

"Dawnsinger;c-2434595" wrote:
Pretty consistently with under-reliced teams. It works a bit better if half the team is sub relics than it does with a full relic team. They’re fairly consistent (if slow) about addressing that kind of issue.

"StarSon;c-2434587" wrote:

"Dawnsinger;c-2434579" wrote:
They probably care because of how low gear the NS can be and still beat Jabba outright, or give an easy two shot.

"StarSon;c-2434574" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434551" wrote:

"DeusArt;c-2434536" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434494" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:
But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

So you are trying to say that its not a reliable counter to use?

So then you what's the issue if that counter is nerfed because it had an awful win rate to begin with

Because nerf could touch team performance against other teams. Plus one of the hype was the part that Merrin can kill full Jabba team. It forced me to whale to get her in first month on my girlfriend’s account. Now what, what sort of nerf it should be?

Unless the nerf is just “(excluding GLs)” or “if no GLs are present then…”

Did you read his post? He explicitly said the reason he whaled was to beat GL's, so I suspect he would be particularly upset if that were the nerf.

Also, unless there really is a team that is reliably beating Jabba, I don't understand why they care. They have never cared before about two shots or unreliable counters.

And how many times has that actually happened? As I said, they have never before cared about unreliable counters or two shots.

Just to reiterate what the OP said, it might be "consistent" for you. But, even in GAC insight, any Jabba lead (not counting clean ups) and a team with Merrin, there's a 13.25% win rate out of over 3600 battles. The only consistent with that is losing. The "success" rate just isn't there for them to be concerned about it.

"Whatelse73;c-2434602" wrote:

"Dawnsinger;c-2434595" wrote:
Pretty consistently with under-reliced teams. It works a bit better if half the team is sub relics than it does with a full relic team. They’re fairly consistent (if slow) about addressing that kind of issue.

"StarSon;c-2434587" wrote:

"Dawnsinger;c-2434579" wrote:
They probably care because of how low gear the NS can be and still beat Jabba outright, or give an easy two shot.

"StarSon;c-2434574" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434551" wrote:

"DeusArt;c-2434536" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434494" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:
But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

So you are trying to say that its not a reliable counter to use?

So then you what's the issue if that counter is nerfed because it had an awful win rate to begin with

Because nerf could touch team performance against other teams. Plus one of the hype was the part that Merrin can kill full Jabba team. It forced me to whale to get her in first month on my girlfriend’s account. Now what, what sort of nerf it should be?

Unless the nerf is just “(excluding GLs)” or “if no GLs are present then…”

Did you read his post? He explicitly said the reason he whaled was to beat GL's, so I suspect he would be particularly upset if that were the nerf.

Also, unless there really is a team that is reliably beating Jabba, I don't understand why they care. They have never cared before about two shots or unreliable counters.

And how many times has that actually happened? As I said, they have never before cared about unreliable counters or two shots.

Just to reiterate what the OP said, it might be "consistent" for you. But, even in GAC insight, any Jabba lead (not counting clean ups) and a team with Merrin, there's a 13.25% win rate out of over 3600 battles. The only consistent with that is losing. The "success" rate just isn't there for them to be concerned about it.

I'm sure if their data proves that out then nothing will come of it. It wouldn't be the first time they put the community on notice without taking action later.

The success rate is about 33% using the comp that actually works, and it’s very consistent at getting Jabba sides down even without relics on the NS. It’s the latter part that seems like a problem worth investigating. I get CG isnt worried about 2 shots that much, but I do think low gear marquee team counters vs GLs are probably an issue to them.

Reasonable people can disagree on whether they should address low gear two shots (especially ones that require Omis). Either way they go with it seems fine to me. But the OP sharing screen shots of the wrong team, and claiming the win rate of that incorrect team proves they aren’t performing exceptionally well is misinformed at best.

"Whatelse73;c-2434602" wrote:

"Dawnsinger;c-2434595" wrote:
Pretty consistently with under-reliced teams. It works a bit better if half the team is sub relics than it does with a full relic team. They’re fairly consistent (if slow) about addressing that kind of issue.

"StarSon;c-2434587" wrote:

"Dawnsinger;c-2434579" wrote:
They probably care because of how low gear the NS can be and still beat Jabba outright, or give an easy two shot.

"StarSon;c-2434574" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434551" wrote:

"DeusArt;c-2434536" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434494" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:
But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

So you are trying to say that its not a reliable counter to use?

So then you what's the issue if that counter is nerfed because it had an awful win rate to begin with

Because nerf could touch team performance against other teams. Plus one of the hype was the part that Merrin can kill full Jabba team. It forced me to whale to get her in first month on my girlfriend’s account. Now what, what sort of nerf it should be?

Unless the nerf is just “(excluding GLs)” or “if no GLs are present then…”

Did you read his post? He explicitly said the reason he whaled was to beat GL's, so I suspect he would be particularly upset if that were the nerf.

Also, unless there really is a team that is reliably beating Jabba, I don't understand why they care. They have never cared before about two shots or unreliable counters.

And how many times has that actually happened? As I said, they have never before cared about unreliable counters or two shots.

Just to reiterate what the OP said, it might be "consistent" for you. But, even in GAC insight, any Jabba lead (not counting clean ups) and a team with Merrin, there's a 13.25% win rate out of over 3600 battles. The only consistent with that is losing. The "success" rate just isn't there for them to be concerned about it.

"Enigmatic_Potato;c-2434552" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:




Maybe people are upset that dont have Merrin and are complaining Jabba can be 2 shot using NS then MM

But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

My tinfoil hat theory is it's actually more about how NS are performing vs Leia in their internal testing.

And they're just using Jabba as the excuse.

i've been thinking the same tbh

which is why i don't see them buffing jabba but making NS weaker against GLs in general

"StarSon;c-2434574" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434551" wrote:

"DeusArt;c-2434536" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2434494" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:
But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

So you are trying to say that its not a reliable counter to use?

So then you what's the issue if that counter is nerfed because it had an awful win rate to begin with

Because nerf could touch team performance against other teams. Plus one of the hype was the part that Merrin can kill full Jabba team. It forced me to whale to get her in first month on my girlfriend’s account. Now what, what sort of nerf it should be?

Unless the nerf is just “(excluding GLs)” or “if no GLs are present then…”

Did you read his post? He explicitly said the reason he whaled was to beat GL's, so I suspect he would be particularly upset if that were the nerf.

Also, unless there really is a team that is reliably beating Jabba, I don't understand why they care. They have never cared before about two shots or unreliable counters.

I read his post but you don't even have to whale this team to beat GLs

4/5 Nightsisters don't need to be whaled

Merrin can win you games even at g11, i mean i guess he whaled on that one unit specifically for Jabba at higher gears but if he has Cal Kestis than it would mean that he was whaling regardless

"Enigmatic_Potato;c-2434552" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:




Maybe people are upset that dont have Merrin and are complaining Jabba can be 2 shot using NS then MM

But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

My tinfoil hat theory is it's actually more about how NS are performing vs Leia in their internal testing.

And they're just using Jabba as the excuse.

Testing? CG? Huh?

"Ultra;c-2434494" wrote:

"FurytheOriginal;d-265180" wrote:
But that win rate is NOT exceptionally well

So you are trying to say that its not a reliable counter to use?

So then you what's the issue if that counter is nerfed because it had an awful win rate to begin with

Because in the process of nerfing it theyll probably screw the NS over elsewhere