Suggestion to fix the Secondary Speed Mod Fiasco without changing the mods

"Alexone;631912" wrote:

"Maraxus;631378" wrote:

"RAYRAY;630907" wrote:

"Darth_Jay77;630741" wrote:

1. We need a smarter AI, not dumb it down; it's already on the verge of being "special needs"
2. I think changing tank AI to NOT taunt would be a huge mistake, huge
3. Yes secondary stats are superior compared to set bonuses, this should be changed somehow. Perhaps a mild reduction in secondary stats and a meaningful buff to set bonuses (e.g. you want faster characters, buy speed mods, not health mods with huge secondary speed stats)
4. Rex and Yoda's AI needs an update to use Squad Discipline / Battle Meditation first and that will help counteract some of the speed Old Ben teams along with other control elements like EP.

1. OK Fair enough.
2. On the surface I agree, but it is the taunt first that makes the team I mentioned an instant win on defense 9/10 times.
3. I agree 100% with this. I suggest a much more than "mild" reductions in secondary stats, specifically speed. Speed should be capped at 3-5 per mod as a secondary stat or removed altogether.
4. I understand what you are saying but no other team is a balance issue like the double tanks speed AOE team is. It breaks the game and needs to be addressed somehow.

You guys complain too much.

Use Rex lead and watch aoe teams melt... Or use droids as someone mentioned before or used your own Biggs + Anakin + B2 to gain tm and disrupt chain of action or use a number of other viable strategies...

Tldr be creative instead of blaming the game.

He's not blaming the game he's blaming the whale. It's too big this time and the harpoon isn't working.

But yea, get rid of speed on mods and replace it with something like crit chance, something useful instead, so it won't feel like a total waste. For anybody to even consider getting anything else than speed on secondaries, the 'old mods' with huge offense boosts and armor need to return. And this is all happening because of JE and Wedge mostly. Do i even care if the other QGJ has more speed than me? Nope.

And Ray, people here are right, tenacity is not that great.

"jackTHErandom;631783" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

This defeats the purpose... If i have a +20 and u have a +5 its the same as me having a +5 and you a +1...

Easiest would be to make grade A mods drop more often and let us know the secondary stats without lvling the mod/only lvl the mod to lvl5

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

"scuba;632273" wrote:

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

Yes speed mod sets would matter more and the ones willing to spend would just buy the speed mod sets with max speed secondaries. So they still own the speed advantage. The players that used to have +5 speed secondaries now have +1

Forums still be crawling with remove speed secondaries and remove nerf nerf nerf..


+10% +55 Speed vs +35 speed. Advantage to the ones willing to spend. The main speed advantage comes at the start of the match, once the party is started there are many abilites that take affect and move TM up and down

Be careful what you wish for. I don't see a nerf just to the top end. If it happens I see it as broad sweep nerf, and if it does it should be. Unless the request is nerf what others have but not mine.

"Petrelli81;632285" wrote:

"scuba;632273" wrote:

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

Yes speed mod sets would matter more and the ones willing to spend would just buy the speed mod sets with max speed secondaries. So they still own the speed advantage. The players that used to have +5 speed secondaries now have +1

Forums still be crawling with remove speed secondaries and remove nerf nerf nerf..


+10% +55 Speed vs +35 speed. Advantage to the ones willing to spend. The main speed advantage comes at the start of the match, once the party is started there are many abilites that take affect and move TM up and down

Be careful what you wish for. I don't see a nerf just to the top end. If it happens I see it as broad sweep nerf, and if it does it should be. Unless the request is nerf what others have but not mine.

The real issue right now is that you get more speed by winning the lottery on secondary stats than you do going 4 speed set. That's wrong. I see two ways to fix this:

1- Nerf speed secondary stats so it caps at 15 (25 is possible right now)
2- Buff the speed set bonus to 10% and 20%

The full set bonus should always be the best way to achieve a particular boost to a stat and right now its not. If players want speed (like I do)? Then you should pick speed; not pick offence, health or crit and then still rack up +90 speed in bonuses.

That's if we really want balance.

"Petrelli81;632285" wrote:

"scuba;632273" wrote:

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

Yes speed mod sets would matter more and the ones willing to spend would just buy the speed mod sets with max speed secondaries. So they still own the speed advantage. The players that used to have +5 speed secondaries now have +1

Forums still be crawling with remove speed secondaries and remove nerf nerf nerf..


+10% +55 Speed vs +35 speed. Advantage to the ones willing to spend. The main speed advantage comes at the start of the match, once the party is started there are many abilites that take affect and move TM up and down

Be careful what you wish for. I don't see a nerf just to the top end. If it happens I see it as broad sweep nerf, and if it does it should be. Unless the request is nerf what others have but not mine.

The real issue right now is that you get more speed by winning the lottery on secondary stats than you do going 4 speed set. That's wrong. I see two ways to fix this:

1- Nerf speed secondary stats so it caps at 15 (25 is possible right now)
2- Buff the speed set bonus to 10% and 20%

The full set bonus should always be the best way to achieve a particular boost to a stat and right now its not. If players want speed (like I do)? Then you should pick speed; not pick offence, health or crit and then still rack up +90 speed in bonuses.

That's if we really want balance.

"scuba;632293" wrote:

"Petrelli81;632285" wrote:

"scuba;632273" wrote:

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

Yes speed mod sets would matter more and the ones willing to spend would just buy the speed mod sets with max speed secondaries. So they still own the speed advantage. The players that used to have +5 speed secondaries now have +1

Forums still be crawling with remove speed secondaries and remove nerf nerf nerf..


+10% +55 Speed vs +35 speed. Advantage to the ones willing to spend. The main speed advantage comes at the start of the match, once the party is started there are many abilites that take affect and move TM up and down

Be careful what you wish for. I don't see a nerf just to the top end. If it happens I see it as broad sweep nerf, and if it does it should be. Unless the request is nerf what others have but not mine.

The real issue right now is that you get more speed by winning the lottery on secondary stats than you do going 4 speed set. That's wrong. I see two ways to fix this:

1- Nerf speed secondary stats so it caps at 15 (25 is possible right now)
2- Buff the speed set bonus to 10% and 20%

The full set bonus should always be the best way to achieve a particular boost to a stat and right now its not. If players want speed (like I do)? Then you should pick speed; not pick offence, health or crit and then still rack up +90 speed in bonuses.

That's if we really want balance.

1. I just don't see it happening that way. IMO if there is a reduction it will be an across the board reduction and it is not going to favor the players that only have +5/7 speed secondaries. 30% reduction on speed secondary stats is not going to change much.

2. I have always though the set bonuses were low and should IMO give better stats than a primary.

"DjangoQuik;632307" wrote:

"scuba;632293" wrote:

"Petrelli81;632285" wrote:

"scuba;632273" wrote:

"tRRRey;631840" wrote:

"scuba;631736" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631722" wrote:

"scuba;631711" wrote:

"RAYRAY;631009" wrote:


1. Secondary mod speeds capped at 5 and no other changes to mods would make the top speed secondary available to everyone, I don't want them to make it hard to get 5 speed secondaries.

So what your saying is nerf the mods that others have paid for, or gotten lucky with, but not the ones you have with a +5 speed secondary and make them available to everyone. Got it.

Nope, you aren't understanding me. My first thought was to change how the AI works on defense. Nobody likes that idea. What I am saying is the speed stat has the potential of throwing off balance because it is so much more powerful than any other possible secondary stat on mods. If it has to remain, it should be brought down to a level where it isn't so reliant on RNG. I would prefer they remove it completely as a secondary stat or make it percentage based capped at 2% per mod. Remember when Poe and the speed stat was changed because games were decided by whose Poe went first? Well this isn't much different. Only now it takes thousands of dollars and a lot of luck to get the speed mods necessary to compete. It's going to have to be addressed.

Here is the problem. People have paid money for these. I won't use the forbidden "r" word but it will be a **** storm again if they just removed the stat, or made them all the same.

IMO the most that would happen if they "nerf" them is proportional reduction across the board 20 become 5, 5 become 1. The 5 secondary will still be as hard to find as the 20 are now so the same players still have the same speed advantage. Same thing if they went % based.

No they wouldn't have the same advantage because then speed leads and speed mod sets would matter more.

Yes speed mod sets would matter more and the ones willing to spend would just buy the speed mod sets with max speed secondaries. So they still own the speed advantage. The players that used to have +5 speed secondaries now have +1

Forums still be crawling with remove speed secondaries and remove nerf nerf nerf..


+10% +55 Speed vs +35 speed. Advantage to the ones willing to spend. The main speed advantage comes at the start of the match, once the party is started there are many abilites that take affect and move TM up and down

Be careful what you wish for. I don't see a nerf just to the top end. If it happens I see it as broad sweep nerf, and if it does it should be. Unless the request is nerf what others have but not mine.

The real issue right now is that you get more speed by winning the lottery on secondary stats than you do going 4 speed set. That's wrong. I see two ways to fix this:

1- Nerf speed secondary stats so it caps at 15 (25 is possible right now)
2- Buff the speed set bonus to 10% and 20%

The full set bonus should always be the best way to achieve a particular boost to a stat and right now its not. If players want speed (like I do)? Then you should pick speed; not pick offence, health or crit and then still rack up +90 speed in bonuses.

That's if we really want balance.

1. I just don't see it happening that way. IMO if there is a reduction it will be an across the board reduction and it is not going to favor the players that only have +5/7 speed secondaries. 30% reduction on speed secondary stats is not going to change much.

2. I have always though the set bonuses were low and should IMO give better stats than a primary.

1. Why would they nerf all mod boosts when it's clear that speed is the only problem one?

2. Agreed.