Territory War balancing solution.

I don't want to sound negative but this is probably the worst solution I've seen proposed. Why on earth would you want to ruin the game for the 90% of the player base who can't get 50/50 TW participants?

Matching GP is how it works now, and that’s the problem.
My guild is 50 members @ 65 mil gp, highest member is 2.8 mil going down to 800k at lowest.
Pair my 50 against another 65 mil gp team, (member total doesnt seem to matter) with at least 10+ 3.5 mil players making up the most of that opposition total (those ten players have more usable 6k plus toons then my whole guild combined).....and THAT is what the big guilds are doing.
They trim their GP under 100 mil, but fill the spots with players that can field every toon they have, (usually all 7* G12).
Fine. Just make it so that 50 ppl required, and then every guild has to use every member and GP can be matched accordingly.

a major advantage of the current setup is that people who are not going to be around, dont hurt their guild by just sitting out. This is one of the best changes that has been added to this game mode.

there is also no reason to require 50 people. there are plenty of other ways to match without requiring 50 players.

"OBGYN_Kenobi;c-1627204" wrote:
Matching GP is how it works now

Not exactly...

matchmaking uses multiple parameters.

As a primary consideration, matchmaking identifies the strongest characters/ships expected to be used by each participant in the Territory War and assigns a value to each roster. Then it looks for the single strongest squads and compares them to each other. Matchmaking then aggregates these criteria for the guild and finds the opponent that is most similar.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/162893/dev-post-matchmaking-clarification-post-3-15/p1

Bubba you’re not reading what I’m writing.
It’s the quality of the players that make up that GP that is not being taken into consideration. A guild may have the same GP but:
20 ppl guild, all 3 mil gp players at 60 mil gp VS.
50 ppl (NONE at 3mil gp) at 60 mil gp.
Absolutely not fair.

Kyno, do you acknowledge the issue I presented?
Can player GP totals be taken into account when matching so that guild with NO 3 mil gp players are not put up against guild with multiple 3 mil gp players?

"OBGYN_Kenobi;c-1627223" wrote:
Bubba you’re not reading what I’m writing.
It’s the quality of the players that make up that GP that is not being taken into consideration. A guild may have the same GP but:
20 ppl guild, all 3 mil gp players at 60 mil gp VS.
50 ppl (NONE at 3mil gp) at 60 mil gp.
Absolutely not fair.

@OBGYN_Kenobi you really should read the post I linked to. I don't think matchmaking works the way you think it does.

"BubbaFett;c-1627221" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1627210" wrote:
a major advantage of the current setup is that people who are not going to be around, dont hurt their guild by just sitting out. This is one of the best changes that has been added to this game mode.

there is also no reason to require 50 people. there are plenty of other ways to match without requiring 50 players.

Why should we get that "advantage"?...... The whole.point of tw is to pit two guilds against eachother in competition..... and having those guilds ",equal in Gp", would be exactly like professional sports where people compete in the same division..... There is nothing wrong with that......

If one guild is "strong" because they all have 7* cup, But they lose to a smarter guild that built quality gp, so be it.......

Every tw, there is a number of us screaming at you guys that guilds are sandbagging by leaving out members, yet you ignore it and post tripe.like this.....

There are a handful of things that make a guild good......

- members that focus and build good teams
- members who are active
- members that are focused on making the guild better, not just themselves....

Should these not be the guilds that are winning vs the guilds that are sandbagging to maximize their monthly zeta?

equal GP of the players involved, yes. not equal gp of the guild who could be there but didn't make it.

if we are talking about it being fair, it should be fair for everyone. this includes guilds who dont have all players show up.

you do know i am not a dev, right?

Just make it assume that 50/50 people are participating even if they are not signed up, so it uses the entire GP of the guild, And this gp includes anyone who recently left the guild too. It should have never worked like the way it does now. You wouldn't get posts after posts after posts about TW matchmaking if the system was actually good instead of the incredibly terrible design it has now.

Guilds should be matched against guilds that give good fights. It should never be a walkover for one side or a supremely hard slog to impossible for the other.

If 25 people can't make it to the tw out of a guild of 50, those 25 who did make it who are 3mil + GP should not go up against a guild with <1mil players, but currently, they do, infact they get a super easy win because their guild did NOT participate. The current system rewards you for not participating on purpose.

That 25 should instead be put up against a guild who they should be put up against, and lose.

"BubbaFett;c-1627245" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1627243" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1627221" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1627210" wrote:
a major advantage of the current setup is that people who are not going to be around, dont hurt their guild by just sitting out. This is one of the best changes that has been added to this game mode.

there is also no reason to require 50 people. there are plenty of other ways to match without requiring 50 players.

Why should we get that "advantage"?...... The whole.point of tw is to pit two guilds against eachother in competition..... and having those guilds ",equal in Gp", would be exactly like professional sports where people compete in the same division..... There is nothing wrong with that......

If one guild is "strong" because they all have 7* cup, But they lose to a smarter guild that built quality gp, so be it.......

Every tw, there is a number of us screaming at you guys that guilds are sandbagging by leaving out members, yet you ignore it and post tripe.like this.....

There are a handful of things that make a guild good......

- members that focus and build good teams
- members who are active
- members that are focused on making the guild better, not just themselves....

Should these not be the guilds that are winning vs the guilds that are sandbagging to maximize their monthly zeta?

equal GP of the players involved, yes. not equal gp of the guild who could be there but didn't make it.

if we are talking about it being fair, it should be fair for everyone. this includes guilds who dont have all players show up.

you do know i am not a dev, right?

Kyno, I have never seen you be anything but fair.... Dev or non dev..... (And yes, you are not one)....

That being said, I don't agree with you on what is "fair"...... This is a guild event and , as such, requires guild participation...... if your guild isn't participating in a guild event, they deserve to lose....

Instead of encouraging an environment where guilds can maximize Zetas by strategically leaving members out, the devs should be encouraging max participation and building good toons...

They could match on so many things that have nothing to do with 50 players. this is unlike any other guild event we have, where your activity matters almost more than your GP, and not just activity, but activity at particular times out of your control.

why punish a growing guild, or a guild going through a rough patch, or a guild where someone ditches right before it opens? why punish a player (or thier guild) who will not be able to be on their phone for a whole day?

I'm not saying things dont need to be fixed, i'm just pointing out this particular aspect of TW, is good for the community. it needs to be fixed elsewhere. IMHO

"BubbaFett;c-1627275" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1627263" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1627245" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1627243" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1627221" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1627210" wrote:
a major advantage of the current setup is that people who are not going to be around, dont hurt their guild by just sitting out. This is one of the best changes that has been added to this game mode.

there is also no reason to require 50 people. there are plenty of other ways to match without requiring 50 players.

Why should we get that "advantage"?...... The whole.point of tw is to pit two guilds against eachother in competition..... and having those guilds ",equal in Gp", would be exactly like professional sports where people compete in the same division..... There is nothing wrong with that......

If one guild is "strong" because they all have 7* cup, But they lose to a smarter guild that built quality gp, so be it.......

Every tw, there is a number of us screaming at you guys that guilds are sandbagging by leaving out members, yet you ignore it and post tripe.like this.....

There are a handful of things that make a guild good......

- members that focus and build good teams
- members who are active
- members that are focused on making the guild better, not just themselves....

Should these not be the guilds that are winning vs the guilds that are sandbagging to maximize their monthly zeta?

equal GP of the players involved, yes. not equal gp of the guild who could be there but didn't make it.

if we are talking about it being fair, it should be fair for everyone. this includes guilds who dont have all players show up.

you do know i am not a dev, right?

Kyno, I have never seen you be anything but fair.... Dev or non dev..... (And yes, you are not one)....

That being said, I don't agree with you on what is "fair"...... This is a guild event and , as such, requires guild participation...... if your guild isn't participating in a guild event, they deserve to lose....

Instead of encouraging an environment where guilds can maximize Zetas by strategically leaving members out, the devs should be encouraging max participation and building good toons...

They could match on so many things that have nothing to do with 50 players. this is unlike any other guild event we have, where your activity matters almost more than your GP, and not just activity, but activity at particular times out of your control.

why punish a growing guild, or a guild going through a rough patch, or a guild where someone ditches right before it opens? why punish a player (or thier guild) who will not be able to be on their phone for a whole day?

I'm not saying things dont need to be fixed, i'm just pointing out this particular aspect of TW, is good for the community. it needs to be fixed elsewhere. IMHO

Is punishing a "growing guild" worse than punishing one that took the effort to get establshed?..... Yes, they put the effort in, and they deserve the rewards for that effort......like I said, simply match guilds by GP and that goes away..... It isn't rocket surgery.... How about the system just matches straight up gp?......

the problem is, no its not that simple. 50 1.75M GP players wouldn't win against 30 3M GP players. its not about only GP.

Zeta counts, key toons (traya), average player GP, and G11/21 toon count need to all be considered to get a "fair match".