The death of strategy in swgoh

i’m not really defending cg’s sledgehammer that is relic delta.  What im doing is refusing to call lazy design decisions good.  Instant defeat mechanics are lazy design.  my r3 dn should not be the key unit allowing me to counter reva or gungans or jmmw.  Instant defeat mechanics suck.  CG created poor teams that were overpowered offensively that they could never figure out how to prevent.  i’m bored with traya being an answer.

i also don’t think any counter is dead just the level they are viable has been changed.  I don’t know if cg got the numbers right it is way too early to say, but any counter should need to be revisited at least every 2 years to remain viable.  it’s been longer than that since i touched traya(r5), oSavage(r5) or Dn (r3) not to mention my r3 sion.

i just disagree that this kills strategy. Smart players who spend the time thinking about interactions between kits are surely going to find weaknesses in relic delta design and build teams that exploit those weaknesses.  i believe it will lessen the cookie cutter design of gac/tw.

As for pve, i just don’t see the need to force players to walk up hill in the snow both ways.  Thrawn at g8 was done because cg missed the mark on the gear economy.  Malak and GAS are now missing the time constraint aspect that increased the dopamine reward from finally beating them.

well said and gg CG for kill the game. HAPPY 10 ANNIVERSARY

The number of people defending this crap is mind blowing to me. This is why the game is allowed to be the way that it is. 

Putting aside how hard that was to read, I actually agree with the spirit of the message…

Relic Delta is pretty much the death of “skill” in SWGOH. Say goodbye to strategy, to well-crafted modding, to mastering team mechanics — none of that matters anymore. Now it’s all about how many relics you’re willing to buy to brute-force your way through.

No need to understand team synergy, speed tuning, or the best approach for a counter — just flash your credit card and let the gambling begin. And if you throw in the absolutely awful matchmaking on top of that, congrats CG: you’ve successfully killed one of the last game modes where actual skill could still beat a stronger opponent. 

which assault battle? the ones that have been out for years and never were more than a stat check? the new ones which provide no challenge if you meet the req?  There has been nothing in the pve area that really called for strategy in years.  not reva. maybe KAM but that was just a stat check too.  This game has always been checkers not chess when it comes to pve.   As for pvp, your complaint reminds me of an old guild mate who couldn’t understand why his padme squad at r7 when it was max would lose to gls.   

you may not like the fact that more gear works better now, but in a resource management game it is a valid strategy.  what doesn’t make sense from a design perspective is one marquee elevating a cheap and easy squad with low zeta requirements into a hardish counter for team requiring guild involvement to get a tb unit, after leveling five units to r7 one of which required leveling a sixth unit to r5.

get over yourself and make the strategic decisions with your resources necessary to increase  your success rate in pvp   As for pve who cares if old content got easier?  Every game needs to do that in order to allow newer players to achieve success at a faster rate.

or ignore me and keep yelling at the clouds.

So you think being able to power through the highest tier of assault battles with damage done by healers is good? That's how things should work? Change is fine. What's happening here is not positive change. It's prioritizing stats over strategies, which is just blatantly bad game design and bad game balance. There's a word for games like that. It's bad. 

First, i completely agree that the coliseum is lame and boring beyond belief and anything era specific is an abject failure.   BUT……….

The idea that synergies and kit interactions and strategies are dead is laughable.  Phoenix is going to still kill inquisitors just not at r3, same for traya vs many many teams.  

Synergies and kit interactions will still overcome poorly constructed teams.  R10 won’t be an I win relic level.  All this sky is falling is so reminiscent when cg changed gac. All those players that purposefully built streamlined rosters to gain an advantage were so mad.  

The reality is r3 phoenix beating inquisitors shouldn’t have happened. It was poor design and all these teams/units/whatever that will be hurt by relic delta will be replaced with other counters. Some will not even be replaced just will need to add a few/several relic levels.

Change is scary and if the change isn’t your cup of tea well that sucks, but come on there  is just as much strategy now as there was monday.

If Meathead reads the OPs or the thread titles, he'll just see what you want him to see. If he reads the comments too, he'll see where I mentioned the issues I have with some aspects of the Nov 18th update. 

The first couple of years after guilds launched, I was an officer for an early guild, and we used to struggle with a few of our teammates who didn't seem to understand how team synergies worked. They'd just dump all their highest gear characters into teams and play them on our front walls in tw. They'd do the same for their offense then would get really frustrated and complain when their teams were losing. I spent a lot of days trying to teach these guys how tags and synergy worked so we could improve as a guild. I keep thinking now that the jokes really on us, and that seems like it's the way CG wants us to be playing. Just dump all your highest relic stuff together and press buttons and you win. Just so disappointing. 

Agreed