8 years ago

The Failings Of Phoenix and Imperial Troopers, and lessons to learn from this

Phoenix:

Phoenix Squadron has amazing synergy and high defensive abilties, with Counter, Daze, Stun, Heal and Protection Recovery, Protection Up and of course a self-revive. However, owing to the large amount of high dps/debuffers and triple cleanse setups in this game, Phoenix fails miserably everywhere and has near-zero viability outside of ships. This is an analysis of the failings of Phpenix.

1. Hera Syndulla

With a basic that exposes the healthiest enemy and a self-revive, Hera is quite a decent character, but in actuality a toned-down Cassian Andor. IMO, she should be able to Expose all enemies and make it unresistable (omega), and her Backup Plan should also be a team cleanse.

2. Kanan Jarrus

A defensive Jedi tank, kanan is just GK but without all his good points. Protection Up and a single target cleanse is just too underwhelming. He should at least have a rex-style cleanse, and his Total Defense should grant Tenacity Up.

3. Garazeb Orrelios

A non-taunting Tank with a Daze on basic, Zeb is even more underwhelming than Kanan. His Basic is fine, but he should Taunt from Honor Guard and at least his unique should be able to cleanse at the start of his turn (like a toned down Perseverance)

4. Chopper

Chopper, being a daily login toon, is quite decent amongst the Phoenix squad. His Metal Menace should be able to reverse buffs in addition to dispel like Baze's third ability.

5. Ezra

Surprisingly, Ezra is decent in a non-Phoenix squad, unlike most of Phoenix Squadron. Similar to Aayla, he should be kept as is, but maybe have his unique boosted in a Phoenix squad.

6. Sabine

She needs a slight tweak. her basic omega should be unavoidable and uncounterable, and her special should also grant CC up to all allies with Darksaber Strike.

In general, Phoenix Squadron fails in its lack of DPS. Although the same can be said of triple cleanse, Phoenix needs to be able to cleanse at least as well as Rex + GK for them to be viable.

Empire Faction Pass + Elite Combat

1. Gar Saxon

A decent toon, Gar fails in that Maul can apply Daze on AoE, and that Daze is now a common mechanic. he should have a clause under zeta unique that says "all allies are immune to Daze and have +30% Tenacity" or something.

2. ISC

Utterly and completely terrible, ISC should have his special also reverse buffs in addition to buff Immunity. His attacks should have damage multiplied by 2 too.

3. Imperial Troopers

comparable to Phoenix, once again they fail at the lack of cleansing. Veers zeta leadership should also state that "all allies start battle with Tenacity Up for 3 turns".

In conclusion, like Phoenix Empire toons also need a cleanser, but have enough DPS output. They need another AoE dispel, maybe on Magmatrooper or Snowtrooper.

dannywadeson
8 years ago
Good points well made. I remember the test event battles with Phoenix Squad and thinking 'Sweet Christmas, these guys are going to be brutal' only to realise that they all have interesting synergy but none of them actually kill anyone.

Less said about the two new Empire toons the better. And even less should be said on their actual aesthetic design.

Tarkin seems good but troopers still seem underwhelming in relation to the difficulty of obtaining.
DanFlorian84
8 years ago
Tarkin only seems good but he can be carried by a combination of great mods and allies to the top of the arena. He is still way weaker than all the sith or the new 2 rebels toons.
The troopers are comparable more with the old rebels but without their availability or multipurposes, they are only atractive to empire fans, but they can be used as the 5th HAAT team, so if you already have Resistance, Clones etc you can use them.
Gar and ISC are dead at birth to me, a fitting start to the empire pass.
Phoenix I cannot comment on them since I am as interested in them as are non empire fans interested in troopers. Maybe they can be could, maybe they can replace the troopers as a HAAT team, or maybe only Sabine and Ezra will remember us of their existance. Still if Sabine and Ezra will be arena worthy, even if in other teams, that still will be way better than what the empire brought.
To me both additions were garbage, the only thing is that rebels faction didn't need the Phoenix team to be good while the empire desperately needed a good faction pass.
UltimateSeaDog
8 years ago
"danflorian1984;c-1095978" wrote:
Tarkin only seems good but he can be carried by a combination of great mods and allies to the top of the arena. He is still way weaker than all the sith or the new 2 rebels toons.
The troopers are comparable more with the old rebels but without their availability or multipurposes, they are only atractive to empire fans, but they can be used as the 5th HAAT team, so if you already have Resistance, Clones etc you can use them.
Gar and ISC are dead at birth to me, a fitting start to the empire pass.
Phoenix I cannot comment on them since I am as interested in them as are non empire fans interested in troopers. Maybe they can be could, maybe they can replace the troopers as a HAAT team, or maybe only Sabine and Ezra will remember us of their existance. Still if Sabine and Ezra will be arena worthy, even if in other teams, that still will be way better than what the empire brought.
To me both additions were garbage, the only thing is that rebels faction didn't need the Phoenix team to be good while the empire desperately needed a good faction pass.

For their price, Phoenix SHOULD at least shake the meta for 1 month. Empire costs 0$ and such can have a weaker pass.
DanFlorian84
8 years ago
"UltimateSeaDog;c-1095980" wrote:
"danflorian1984;c-1095978" wrote:
Tarkin only seems good but he can be carried by a combination of great mods and allies to the top of the arena. He is still way weaker than all the sith or the new 2 rebels toons.
The troopers are comparable more with the old rebels but without their availability or multipurposes, they are only atractive to empire fans, but they can be used as the 5th HAAT team, so if you already have Resistance, Clones etc you can use them.
Gar and ISC are dead at birth to me, a fitting start to the empire pass.
Phoenix I cannot comment on them since I am as interested in them as are non empire fans interested in troopers. Maybe they can be could, maybe they can replace the troopers as a HAAT team, or maybe only Sabine and Ezra will remember us of their existance. Still if Sabine and Ezra will be arena worthy, even if in other teams, that still will be way better than what the empire brought.
To me both additions were garbage, the only thing is that rebels faction didn't need the Phoenix team to be good while the empire desperately needed a good faction pass.

For their price, Phoenix SHOULD at least shake the meta for 1 month. Empire costs 0$ and such can have a weaker pass.

Gar, ISC and some of the hard to get troopers also costed money. By this principle they should also have their time in the sun. That is what you and others don't get, just because you only bought rebels doesn't matter that is all the people have bought. While I invested way less comparated to you I know plenty of guild or shard mates that invested thousands of euro in sith/empire toons.
UltimateSeaDog
8 years ago
"danflorian1984;c-1095983" wrote:
"UltimateSeaDog;c-1095980" wrote:
"danflorian1984;c-1095978" wrote:
Tarkin only seems good but he can be carried by a combination of great mods and allies to the top of the arena. He is still way weaker than all the sith or the new 2 rebels toons.
The troopers are comparable more with the old rebels but without their availability or multipurposes, they are only atractive to empire fans, but they can be used as the 5th HAAT team, so if you already have Resistance, Clones etc you can use them.
Gar and ISC are dead at birth to me, a fitting start to the empire pass.
Phoenix I cannot comment on them since I am as interested in them as are non empire fans interested in troopers. Maybe they can be could, maybe they can replace the troopers as a HAAT team, or maybe only Sabine and Ezra will remember us of their existance. Still if Sabine and Ezra will be arena worthy, even if in other teams, that still will be way better than what the empire brought.
To me both additions were garbage, the only thing is that rebels faction didn't need the Phoenix team to be good while the empire desperately needed a good faction pass.

For their price, Phoenix SHOULD at least shake the meta for 1 month. Empire costs 0$ and such can have a weaker pass.

Gar, ISC and some of the hard to get troopers also costed money. By this principle they should also have their time in the sun. That is what you and others don't get, just because you only bought rebels doesn't matter that is all the people have bought. While I invested way less comparated to you I know plenty of guild or shard mates that invested thousands of euro in sith/empire toons.

I agree about Gar/ISC, but regarding Troopers, CG/EA can't really make a bunch of no names become the next meta can they?
Rush-STK
8 years ago
Phoenix is not the issue, power creep is.
DanFlorian84
8 years ago
Tarkin has more name recognition that any other rebel besides the big ones, and certainly bigger than the Meta rebels.
Edit: Also the stormtrooper, nameless as he is, is way more a symbol of Star Wars than Wiggs or Chaze pairs will ever be.
UltimateSeaDog
8 years ago
"danflorian1984;c-1095986" wrote:
Tarkin has more name recognition that any other rebel besides the big ones, and certainly bigger than the Meta rebels.

Meta rebels are p2p.
abc2010566597
8 years ago
IF CG continues to release more and more Overpowered Light Side toons, doesn't change Overpowered abilities like TenUP and only "fixes" and "changes" in the wrong direction, everyon will be playing the same Overpowered team at some point anyways because everything else.. especially Dark Side, is nowhere near viable against all those Overpowered plug&play Light Side toons that don't require synergy. Why? Because they already are a one-man-army by themselfes.

Zaul atleast had synergy and a cool theme but now with all the Rex, chaze, GK, Nihilus cancer going on it's just a bunch of Overpowered toons slapped together .. and it works better than anything else.

And yes, i used the word "Overpowered" a lot because they are and noone can tell me otherwise because there are a few toons that could counter them on a one digit monday after noon when it rains.
JStenholt97
8 years ago
I think the point with Gar Sax Guy and commando was just to sell packs for the R2 event..
Still feels kinda pointless to have and who cares about their ship? The best ships are ftp.