For those of you that don't know, Nutini was a HAAT team that was used to solo entire phases. The team was made famous by a player named Lugo and was discovered only a few months after the raid was released. This team required very little resource commitment and could post huge scores to get big rewards for very little investment. And for this reason, CG nerfed Nutini.The main issue with nightsisters is the exact same thing. I am in a launch shard and finish top 10 quite regularly. I've had to work my butt off for over 2 years gearing toons and farming mods to become "arena worthy".But now, anybody can climb to the top 10 if they run nightsisters, who are quite easy to gear. I've seen a night sister team at 80k power with no zetas beat a rebel team with 7 zetas and 110k power. Players with 1 million GP are competing with players with 3+ million GP. So the issue here is the same as Nutini, imo. Players are getting top level rewards with very little investment. Nerfs have happened in the past; Poe and Yoda for example. For the sake of the game, please realize your mistake again, CG, and fix NS. I'll give you an idea for a quick and logical fix; NS zombie's "revive cannot be prevented" should be locked behind a zeta for starters.I know the vast majority of the player base agrees with me, even the players that run NS in my arena are starting look for something different but nothing matches up to the offense of NS and I cant imagine any other faction coming close in the future without some outlandish backlash.

+1000000 or at least allow nihilus and boba to kill NSZ permanently which is, ya know, their omega

Except they're easy to beat, you just don't want to use a team that can beat them. That's why it's a meta.

They are easy to beat, everything is easy to beat. It's ridiculous how THEY BEAT everythingEDIT: I have no problem beating NS teams

So then beat them with ease and then claim your prize while they get repeatedly targetted and beaten and then have to climb a huge deficit to get back to you.

You're clearly missing the point, so please move along

The Nightsister Problem is the Same as Nutini

chionophobe
7 years ago
"IgneoMorte;c-1456480" wrote:
Since annihilate basically absorbs essence, a spirit or zombie wouldn’t really be able to come back.
So, I agree, in theory, DN should be able to permanently eliminate NS Zombie.

Boba Fett just blows up the character. The zombie could just come back together.

There's not much flavor text in this game, but zombie's implies that each "revive" is actually a new, different zombie that takes the destroyed one's place.
BriggerGuy
7 years ago
"TWD_Negan;c-1456486" wrote:
It takes great mods to make nightsisters work in arena, no different than any other case with high damaging meta teams.

FALSE.
BriggerGuy
7 years ago
"ImYourHuckleberry;c-1456493" wrote:
then arena will just come down to a free for all as anyone could then beat anyone else.

It's already this way. Except now we have underpowered/geared NS teams that think they deserve to be in the top tier of play after working "so hard" to gear up their NS for a couple weeks.
JohnnySteelAlph
7 years ago
I remember people complained about this with Maul when many ran DN and SA at 3* and had success. People using Wampa and Hermit now at <7* and max gear also have success. If the characters are good they don't have to be maxed and that's always been the case in arena. I'm sure if he could be unlocked at lower stars, a 5* CLS at gear 11 would do just fine climbing the ranks. I see no problem here...sounds a bit elitist to insist only maxed out teams for gear and stars are viable and mechanics shouldn't come in to play. I like the diversity NS have brought to arena...go create an EP-led Empire team if you hate NS ... weak NS teams won't be able to beat you on offense even in many cases.
BriggerGuy
7 years ago
I'm not having a problem. I'm sick of seeing new names in my shard with only 1M GP. They haven't worked to get to that level of play. They're just exploiting an OP team that is easily accessible to the masses, which is bad for the game
GloriousDon
7 years ago
"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1456499" wrote:
I remember people complained about this with Maul when many ran DN and SA at 3* and had success. People using Wampa and Hermit now at <7* and max gear also have success. If the characters are good they don't have to be maxed and that's always been the case in arena. I'm sure if he could be unlocked at lower stars, a 5* CLS at gear 11 would do just fine climbing the ranks. I see no problem here...sounds a bit elitist to insist only maxed out teams for gear and stars are viable and mechanics shouldn't come in to play. I like the diversity NS have brought to arena...go create an EP-led Empire team if you hate NS ... weak NS teams won't be able to beat you on offense even in many cases.

I agree with your comments about elitism. I also agree with op that there's a disparity. For example, DV's brand new unique has a zeta, and it's no where near as good as zombies resurrection omega. That just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
BriggerGuy
7 years ago
"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1456499" wrote:
I remember people complained about this with Maul when many ran DN and SA at 3* and had success. People using Wampa and Hermit now at <7* and max gear also have success. If the characters are good they don't have to be maxed and that's always been the case in arena.

Key word there is "max gear". Zombie you don't have to gear at all and you want to leave at low star level. Decreasing the amount of investment. At least DN and SA required a good amount of gear to become viable.

My main point, is that the amount of investment to climb to the top arena was drastically decreased as soon as NS were released. Now everybody and their grandmother can get into the top 10 with MT lead and horrible mods (if they pick their targets wisely) but that shouldn't be possible, imo.

EDIT: If you want to call that "elitist" then so be it, but welcome to how the real world works. The rich get richer has always been a fact of this messed up society
ARougeRogue
7 years ago
I think most people have issue with the Zombie reviving over and over while the Acolyte hides in stealth and they have to sit there and let the clock run down trying to get her. I get that.

Talzin and the others are all fine as they are, in my opinion. The plague mechanics and all that are pretty strong, suitably so, for the investment required. The characters aren't overly broken and their abilities are fair. It's just the zombie that seems to be upsetting people. Why make it as good as it needs to be the second it unlocks? Some argue it's better to leave it as weak as possible than to even star/level/gear it. Clearly that isn't WAI, right? So why not do SOMETHING to alter this character that is just so backwards and messed up? There are characters out there who have abilities that literally read "Cannot be revived" yet this character revives, completely negating the upgrades made on those characters. One would think if a constantly reviving character was giving you issues, you'd use someone that would prevent that, but unfortunately, there is no one!

Anyway, I actually think the zombie+acolyte is a really cool set up, but even I feel like it's a bit wonky and odd the way it's implemented. Maybe we could do something to make it feel more legit and less like a hosing tactic.
BriggerGuy
7 years ago
"ARougeRogue;c-1456526" wrote:
The plague mechanics and all that are pretty strong, suitably so, for the investment required.

What investment? I just got MT and Ventress to Gear 10 with leftovers. They are one of the easiest factions to gear with very little carbanti and stun gun requirements. Where as their counter, the imperial troopers, require 400+ stun guns and just as many carbantis to adequately counter them
BriggerGuy
7 years ago
AND THIS THREAD IS DEAD!! Thank you mods for moving stuff around, it really helps the community out!