The Nightsister Problem is the Same as Nutini

"DBane;c-1458964" wrote:

"leef;c-1458955" wrote:

"DBane;c-1458931" wrote:

"leef;c-1458920" wrote:

"DBane;c-1458890" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1458326" wrote:

Fact is some characters have been so good you can put in any team at low stars and have them do well. Nightsisters are way less of an abomination than chaze when they first came out. You could slap chirrut and baze at 4* in most team comps and beat most teams in arena. Neither one of those two required a zeta to do that, whereas nightsisters require several to do really well

you are misinformed. Yes some characters, especially tanks and support heros are viable at low stars, but with Zombie being released it is the first time in this game where characters at low stars AND low gear are being rewarded

Old Ben disagrees about that being the first time ;)

As MrGrips already said:
"P.S:
Weak old ben btw was a dumb gimmick that was actually never top meta and didn't hold popularily for very long at all."

weak old ben was used, yes, but it was never rewarded as NS Zombie is now

still, zombi wasn't the first character at low stars and gear being rewarded, wich is what you said. That zombi at low gear/stars is way better than old ben was at low gear/stars is irrelvant.

congratulations you completely ignored my point. what you are saying here is basically "no you are wrong, I'm right because what I said is correct and what you said is irrelevant" - how childish

how hard is it to understand that weak old ben was NEVER top 10 meta (for you Most effective tactic available)? just let me know as soon as you got the point I will stop my stopwatch then

What's your point though?

People aren’t ignoring your issue, just not everyone agrees with you.

Rex, Sun Fac, Poe, DN, Shore, Baze, Chirrut, Thrawn, Darth Nihilus, R2, BB8, Shore, Sith Assassin, Sith Trooper, Wampa, Hermit Yoda, Imperial Probe Droid, Kyo Ren, General Kenobi, Han Solo, Old Ben, Dooku, Jawa Engineer and more have all at one time or another been a significant portion of top 20 arena teams, while being able to be used under starred/geared compared to their competition. You suggest this is a new thing that Nightsister Zombie started, it’s not that at all. The game always has had characters that can be used at lower investment cost while still getting decent rewards.

Also the premise that a paper zombie is better then an actual starred and geared one is false, the biggest advantage paper zombie gives is that those recourses can go elsewhere and still be able to pull her weight(although less effectively).

PS I don’t run Nightsisters, so I’m not defending “my” team.

So this has devolved into another nerf Nightsisters thread. Nutini hasn’t been mentioned since the 3rd post of this thread.

"DedrickRogue;c-1459314" wrote:
People aren’t ignoring your issue, just not everyone agrees with you.

Also the premise that a paper zombie is better then an actual starred and geared one is false, the biggest advantage paper zombie gives is that those recourses can go elsewhere and still be able to pull her weight(although less effectively).

this is another simple and clear proof that there are plenty of users out there that have no idea how this game works and how to evaluate chars.

Dear DedrickRogue, paper zombie is a lot more better then so many other chars for the "simple" reason that is an auto taunt tank that can take an "infinite" amount of dmg. Also in so many occasions when she combo off with acolyte she can be the reason for non logical wins when on offense or impossible defeat when on defense.

35% of the rank 1 NS teams go for the "combo" setup.

I'm sorry if this post lowered your self esteem. It wasn't my intention.

"MrGrips;c-1458805" wrote:

But the real point people have, that you guys really aren't addressing is... Whats wrong with having NS be able to be meta or beat the meta, do everything they can do now, whatever, but need to match appropriate investment that other teams have, like at least gear levels, to do so?

Why would it be WRONG for NSZ to need to be gear 12 or 11 to do what she can do now at g6 against G12 teams?

Why do you guys seem so against the idea of more investment == more success?

P.S:
Weak old ben btw was a dumb gimmick that was actually never top meta and didn't hold popularily for very long at all.

Weak Zombie is not top META either. It's just as much a gimmick as Old Ben was. It's not the zombie's synergy with Assaj's unique or Daka's unique, that win the game for you. I see geared/promoted zombies in top—20 NS teams as well. Furthermore, one of the reasons, that weak Old Ben wasn't as widely used, was, that by the time he could improve the top teams, many players had already geared him and promoted him. Keep in mind, that this gimmick appeared before mods (and speed mods). That extra speed and offense early in the match could win the game for you, and Old Ben would most likely die early back when 'everybody' were using AoE.

A weak zombie being usefull is no different than a no gear Ackbar would actually be prefered in a hAAT team (AA(L), Assaj, CLS, BB8 and Thrawn). You really want AA to just die ASAP, so that only CLS will be called to assist. But yes, most people already have him geared due to his use in rebel teams and as fleet commander. That's why you don't see people soloing hAAT with a weak AA. However, it's not the missing gear on AA, that makes the team great and a geared AA would not make the team weak — exactly as the case of NS zombie.

If you and the OP are just as upset about the usefulness of a weak AA as you are about a weak zombie being usefull, then you are consistent — otherwise, you're not.

On a side note:
In the Nute (L), Leia, Spy, Zombie and R2D2 team Nute doesn't have to be geared to be usefull and a maxed out zombie would actually be better than weak one. Nute would do the trick if only his leader ability is maxed.

More investment = more success? Are you saying that a fully maxed Hoth Rebel Soldier should have the most success? I have no problem with an easy farm like Biggs has more success.

So, people get upset because 1m GP players can compete with 3m GP players? Sounds to me like people just don't like new competition.

Well, guess what, you can only field 5 players in arena. Your 3m GP mean nothing for arena but I am sure you get much better results in raids, TWs, TBs, etc. For arena a large part of your 3m GP will have bought you time on top in the past. As this game has constant powercreep investments in teams that are currently meta in arena will eventually be useless for arena as meta changes but will have reaped rewards while they were meta. Therefore you already got your rewards for your investments.

I think it is good for the game that people can actually catch up by going for the latest reworks. They will still be on a long-term competitive disadvantage by not getting as good rewards from the GP related guild activities. Let them enjoy their short stunt of competitiveness once in a while.

P.S.: I love the NS rework because they have a unique feel and mechanisms to them instead of piling ever more abilities on one character with ever higher values. NS are probably my favourite rework. And yes, they were the perfect counter to a highly boring meta that made every team in the top look like the same. Good thing they shook it up a bit.

cool, ANOTHER nerf ns thread. mods, can we get a separate forum for these? it's like 50 a day.

ps would love to see a vid of 3* MT wrecking meta cls.

Who else here runs Nightsisters and loves it when people rage about them? I mean, what exactly is broken about them? Besides zombie, Boba, Nihilus, and Death Trooper can prevent them from reviving, Plague can be cleaned by anyone with a healing ability, and characters with AOEs can destroy them within seconds.

Night sisters are only good because the CLS, Triple cleanse and Zarriss teams killed all AOE, critt based and assist teams. So only single attacking teams survived and NS are very effective against those.