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AriellaSun's avatar
AriellaSun
7 years ago

This is now a guild-killing raid

I’ll surely not be the first or last person to please with CG to consider this but the effect that G12+ gear drops only falling to the first 10 placings in this raid is absolutely devastating guilds right now.
There is no incentive whatsoever for a strong player to join a strong guild, because, they’ll just have to work much harder to gain the gear.
Less powerful guilds may be happy to accept mercs in the short term to help gain some Traya shards but I’m sure people will come to realise it’s a completely unsustainable way to run a guild, much less against the spirit of trying to keep a good group of players together to achieve shared goals.
Guild leaders of alliances have been resorting to creating sub-guilds purely for their members to hop in and out once a week to run an extra Sith raid and gain extra gear. To me this feels like gaming the system and again, against the spirit of play, however I make no judgement against those players participating in such technique because this is the system we’ve been left with...
CG made promises to us about flattening the gear rewards across the guild have failed to transpire and it’s now tearing us apart at an alarming rate.
Please, please listen to the community here - we need you to facilitate guild cohesion, not destroy it.
The game otherwise feels to be in a good place with a lot to look forward to - it would be a huge own goal if large swathes of guilds were broken apart without getting the chance to collectively enjoy all that is planned!
Xx
  • phinehas10's avatar
    phinehas10
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    The STR is a total disaster. And it seems every "fix" only makes it worse. Possibly the worst thing I've ever seen in any video game I've played since the 1980s.
  • Nikoms565's avatar
    Nikoms565
    7 years ago
    "Boov;c-1660710" wrote:

    • raid release: strong players group together in order to get traya asap
    • raid on farm: strong-ish players join weaker guilds in order to get top ranks in raids

    It has always been like this.

    It hasn't always been like this though. With the two previous raids, since the gear drop was more even, there was no reason for the strong players to fight to stay on top once they had attained the 7* raid-exclusive character.

    Now, everyone will need g12+ gear forever. As such, the poor reward structure of the HSTR encourages the strongest in the guild to always attempt to stay ahead of their guild brethren finishing outside the top 10.

    Yes, it is causing dissatisfaction and instability in guilds. No, CG/EA doesn't care.
  • AriellaSun's avatar
    AriellaSun
    7 years ago
    "Nikoms565;c-1660719" wrote:
    "Boov;c-1660710" wrote:

    • raid release: strong players group together in order to get traya asap
    • raid on farm: strong-ish players join weaker guilds in order to get top ranks in raids

    It has always been like this.

    It hasn't always been like this though. With the two previous raids, since the gear drop was more even, there was no reason for the strong players to fight to stay on top once they had attained the 7* raid-exclusive character.

    Now, everyone will need g12+ gear forever. As such, the poor reward structure of the HSTR encourages the strongest in the guild to always attempt to stay ahead of their guild brethren finishing outside the top 10.

    Yes, it is causing dissatisfaction and instability in guilds. No, CG/EA doesn't care.


    This is true - during the HAAT, once people had gotten their 7 star General Kenobi's, well they were more inclined to take a back seat and allow others to do the same. With G12+ pieces, this is far more of an ask. Asking players who've honed their team to perform well in raids to hold back never goes down well. Some are happy to, others less so because that's their end game content. But that shouldn't be asked of anyone, the game should be better designed such that people are able to play the game their way without any guilt of hampering others.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    7 years ago
    There was a lot of talk over the past few months. a lot of updates and features and even the flattening of gear was stated to be designed to help new/younger players. yes the flattening seemed to be a failed experiment.

    now i'm not saying this was their intention or plan, but the current situation also leads the community in that direction. i would imagine that the gear change has done more to create more HSR guilds then the extra release of JTR.

    Why merc when you can find a good, but maybe smaller guild? who says they are not creating more stable guilds that have a mutually beneficial situation vs a highly competitive one?

    not everyone likes change and each raid we have seen things like this happen. this is the first time it has spread out players vs making a vacuum or players to make "super guilds".
  • DarkHelmet1138's avatar
    DarkHelmet1138
    7 years ago
    With the sith raid encouraging whales to not group together too much but tb and tw encourages them to do so since rewards are better the larger your guild. Individual players will decide what suits them best. Whether to be a big fish in a medium to large guild or a small fish in a huge guild. There are benefits and drawbacks to both. And that's ok.

    And from the viewpoint from a guild on the verge of heroic but not quite there yet, I don't see the mass exodus from heroic guilds. We have even actively tried recruiting those higher level players wanting to be in the top of raid rewards. If the problem were as big as you seem to suggest, guilds our size would probably have more recruits wanting to help with the raid.
  • AriellaSun's avatar
    AriellaSun
    7 years ago
    Here is your net result of having too guilds torn apart from Merc’ing.

    Every TW opponent we have faced for the last 10 wars has been significantly less powerful than our guild.
    Why? We’re constantly down on members. For this particular TW, we were -5.
    This meant that while we were matched with a team of equivalent GP, our 45 were more powerful than their 50, and boy did it show, they failed to clear a single zone whilst we wiped them out.
    It’s not exactly fun for us and we’re constantly agonising over whether to set weaker zones. But it is no down dispiriting for those guilds who have to face us because they have no realistic chance for success.
    And this has all come about because of the Sith raid, and punitive distribution of G12+ gear. Top players simple prefer to find smaller guilds so that they can finish in the Top 10 and grab those rewards.
    So guilds such as mine have had months of recruitment agony... and we know we’re far from an exception here as we’ve witnessed the contraction of a number of others.

    This is just so bad for the game and it’s all well and good CG changing the TW/TB start times to prevent Merc’ing but you’re not solving this, you’re merely papering over cracks.... you have to sort out that gear situation or this will continue, TW’s will suck, and players will quit
  • DarkHelmet1138's avatar
    DarkHelmet1138
    7 years ago
    All you have to do to get to 50 is take in a few lower gp players to get to 50/50. It may be more of a challenge because they can't contribute as much as the ones that left. But you'd also be helping them grow.
  • AriellaSun's avatar
    AriellaSun
    7 years ago

    "DarkHelmet1138;c-1660605" wrote:
    All you have to do to get to 50 is take in a few lower gp players to get to 50/50. It may be more of a challenge because they can't contribute as much as the ones that left. But you'd also be helping them grow.


    We’d be delighted to help players grow with us but there has to be a cut off.
    Let’s say we took in a player who had only a handful of G11 characters. The tier we’re in for TW, they’d do well to ever win a battle. Would that be fun for them? Unlikely.
    Would they ever cause a dent in the heroic Sith raid, such that they could earn more than 6 Traya shards from time to time? Impossible.
    I’d like to think that everyone currently in our guild could, should they so choose to, put a shift in on the Sith raid such that they finish Top 10... we stagger our raid times too so that various time zones are catered for. But brining someone in who could never achieve that would be bad for all parties.
    I’m all for developing and helping players. And my roster is far from perfect. But we need people who are at least within a certain range of our level otherwise they won’t get anything out of it themselves.
  • DarkHelmet1138's avatar
    DarkHelmet1138
    7 years ago
    "Ariella;c-1660670" wrote:

    "DarkHelmet1138;c-1660605" wrote:
    All you have to do to get to 50 is take in a few lower gp players to get to 50/50. It may be more of a challenge because they can't contribute as much as the ones that left. But you'd also be helping them grow.


    We’d be delighted to help players grow with us but there has to be a cut off.
    Let’s say we took in a player who had only a handful of G11 characters. The tier we’re in for TW, they’d do well to ever win a battle. Would that be fun for them? Unlikely.
    Would they ever cause a dent in the heroic Sith raid, such that they could earn more than 6 Traya shards from time to time? Impossible.
    I’d like to think that everyone currently in our guild could, should they so choose to, put a shift in on the Sith raid such that they finish Top 10... we stagger our raid times too so that various time zones are catered for. But brining someone in who could never achieve that would be bad for all parties.
    I’m all for developing and helping players. And my roster is far from perfect. But we need people who are at least within a certain range of our level otherwise they won’t get anything out of it themselves.


    I call lies. You don't want them because they don't help the guild much. Saying that they get nothing out of it is pure lies.

    As a high end guild you likely get 40+ stars in tb. While a low level player won't be able to contribute as much, they share in rewards. 7500+ guild event currency and the other rewards help them a lot.

    For tw, your main point is that you are leaving defense empty to "give the opponent a chance" why not let lower level members in and let them set defense to contribute. The opponent still has to put a team up to clear it. And since they have worse teams, it gives you tbe challenge to have to do that much better to pull them along.

    For Hstr many without traya would be more than happy to get 6 shards at a time until they build better teams.

    We have lower limits to what new people we will accept too, but prentending it is for the good of the potential lower player is dishonest.

    The suggestion I made would provide a challenge and help a newer player grow more quickly.

    Edited to remove swearing shorthand. - EA_Cian

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