Top 2 GAC Kyber spots.... really?

"Rath_Tarr;c-2119859" wrote:

"MetaThumper;c-2119847" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-2119632" wrote:


And what very, very linear way would that be? Because my way is anything but linear, yet I have managed to make Kyber every GAC so far while progressing through four divisions.

Congrats. That's awesome news and glad you're having a fun time. When I say linear, I'm referring to following CG's path of success and how you are kind of forced to stay on that path if you want to remain competitive and be a leaderboard fanatic. But I don't look at GAC achievements and rankings as a very good indicator on how good someone or their roster is. Just look at what's up there now.

And once again, what would that path be exactly?

Yep, that almost sums it up. The part in red isn't exactly true either. A couple well built and high relic'd teams can help your guild do much better in LS&DS Geo TB and territory wars.

"Kurgen;d-230646" wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else think there is an issue with the top 2 div 1 Kyber spots being held by rosters that seem a little thin????

It may be an artefact of current matchmaking algorithm.

Just for illustration from personal experience - some time ago I got Kyber Pretender title (in the lower division but MM algorithm is still the same) despite following facts at that moment:

1. My guild hadn't access to the Geo TB, while my competitors had
2. My guild cleared HSTR only several times, while my competitors had it on farm for a long time
3. Personally I completely neglected separatists/GR squads lineup while it was current trend - my Geos were g10; Padme, GK and Grievous - level 1, etc.

Overall, the structure of my roster was very similar to that players. If I directly fight with most people in the GAC top-100 of my division, I wouldn't have a slightest chance. But since their roster was more top-heavy, they fought between themselves while I was matched only against other people with thinner roster.

Some time after that I started to pursue GLs and place relics on my toons. It had immediate results in the GAC - I never had a chance for such high position since then.

Now look at the roster of those people. Despite being in Div 1 they have very small amount of relics. What it means in terms of matchmaking? They will be NEVER matched against really strong rosters. They will be only matched against other people with similar top-Х GP, while, for example, full-R7 roster fights with each other and therefore have much lesser chance to get ideal scores, pursue feats, etc. That's the possible answer.

Did you even check their GAC history? Currently the top ranks are held by Bus 74 and Attony. Check out Bus 74's GAC history. They seem to consistently win by a large margin with lots of undersized offensive wins. It seems like they play quite skilfully. They deserve a high rank IMO.

"Rath_Tarr;c-2119632" wrote:
The best players in a division are not necessarily the ones with the most GP.

If I drive a Ferrari and you drive a Honda Civic and I best you in a race, that does not necessarily make me the better driver.

Not gonna lie, abhorrent comparison.

Closer would be,
A whole bunch of people get put into the same class in a race because they all drive Ferraris.
Then you get put into groups of people you actually race against based off previous performance or any factor you wish, it is largely irrelevant as it is still sub to the Ferrari class you're in.
And then having the person with the most points, by result of their match ups, holding the position of best Ferrari driver, despite the fact the you obliterate them in time trials.

Don't strawman.
Don't be that guy.

"Waqui;c-2120033" wrote:
Did you even check their GAC history? Currently the top ranks are held by Bus 74 and Attony. Check out Bus 74's GAC history. They seem to consistently win by a large margin with lots of undersized offensive wins. It seems like they play quite skilfully. They deserve a high rank IMO.

Which is a problem for higher GP players. Won't find that Wampa vs Rebels or Kylo vs Carth solos anymore. Div 1 needs to be split into more divisions.

"Legend91;c-2120080" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2120033" wrote:
Did you even check their GAC history? Currently the top ranks are held by Bus 74 and Attony. Check out Bus 74's GAC history. They seem to consistently win by a large margin with lots of undersized offensive wins. It seems like they play quite skilfully. They deserve a high rank IMO.

Which is a problem for higher GP players. Won't find that Wampa vs Rebels or Kylo vs Carth solos anymore. Div 1 needs to be split into more divisions.

Still, their GAC history prooves some level of skill.

"Waqui;c-2120100" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2120080" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2120033" wrote:
Did you even check their GAC history? Currently the top ranks are held by Bus 74 and Attony. Check out Bus 74's GAC history. They seem to consistently win by a large margin with lots of undersized offensive wins. It seems like they play quite skilfully. They deserve a high rank IMO.

Which is a problem for higher GP players. Won't find that Wampa vs Rebels or Kylo vs Carth solos anymore. Div 1 needs to be split into more divisions.

Still, their GAC history prooves some level of skill.

Yeah, it is pretty funny that we live in a world that insists on argument with valid evidence and then your audience just disregards evidence. And by pretty funny I mean disheartening to people that use critical thinking.

"Kurgen;c-2119446" wrote:
Yeah I understand how the matching works.... not much of a championship having 2nd rate rosters winning it though. After the first round, they should be matching to where you are on the leaderboard.

That is exactly how a championship should work!
It makes zero sense that people with such a roster can easily get #1... MM should be around the same GAC points from the current championship and not with Top-X Chars...
If you do it with Top-X Chars, only those chars can be used! Not other ones!

I don't know why CG doesn't get it... In every other game, literally every, you get matched against people that got the same points as you. Similar to MMR which is nothing else than GAC points.
Why can't we get this MM? It is fair and you need to battle good opponents on top of it! We can build up rivals and such... Would make the game way better.

People will always find an excuse why they're not at the top of the boards

"Akenno;c-2120106" wrote:

"Kurgen;c-2119446" wrote:
Yeah I understand how the matching works.... not much of a championship having 2nd rate rosters winning it though. After the first round, they should be matching to where you are on the leaderboard.

That is exactly how a championship should work!
It makes zero sense that people with such a roster can easily get #1... MM should be around the same GAC points from the current championship...

Terrible idea. You will see some extremely uneven matches this way - not only during the first GA where everyone start at 0 points. I believe the use of top-X GP and leagues result in more even matches.

"Akenno;c-2120106" wrote:

and not with Top-X Chars...
If you do it with Top-X Chars, only those chars can be used! Not other ones!

Another terrible idea. Matching by top-X GP is actually pretty close to matching by the GP of the characters the round winners actually use to win a round (in 5v5 div. 1 + 2 at least - I didn't investigate 3v3 cases).

"Akenno;c-2120106" wrote:

I don't know why CG doesn't get it...

Maybe they do get it.