9 years ago

Underpowered Jedi

There are many good Jedi. There are many disappointing ones as well. I think the issue boils down to a couple things. I wish developers would work on fixing them. Here are my ideas.

Lack of focused play style synergy. Droids and rebels focus on criticals. Ewoks are themed around turn meter. Clones synergize around lots of assists.

Jedi working together don't have a core theme. Fixing bad Jedi to work on a coherent team play style theme would be great fix. They seem to be jack of all trades group which is a terrible design in any game. Focused design on specific roles either damage, heal, tank, debuffs, anti- certain factions would help. For example, there are several healing Jedi. Maybe they become a play style based on constant heals in some type of defensive play style theme versus most reworks boosting damage. There counter being the heal immunity debuffs, stuns, etc. IDK all the balance issues, but a defensive focused them would be good addition to all the offensive reworks lately.

Second, there are too many anti-Jedi toons with jedi not being the rock to other scissors. Outside of a few Jedi with anti-droid stuff. They have no real enemies, focus. Love to see Republic Jedi from clone wars, prequel movies to have synergy against the new Seperatist tags. This would be great additions as additional bonus to some Jedi's uniques and/or leader ability.

Now for the droid specific ones, they just need to be better, and they could be synergized to work together as a anti-droid theme. Koth is a good example. Why not make his debuffs against droids unresistable and maybe add chance to assist another Jedi who attacks a droid in addition to his dmg unique buff? That way it would improve usage of that anti-droid unique.

Also, more Jedi could get the JKA tweaks to work well with clones. Some of it could be simple by adding clones to their leader abilities. Some of it could be tweaks to their uniques.

Maybe an critical avoidance defensive theme? Ahoska seems primed for that one.

I'd also push for simple changes. Many of the Jedi kits are fine individually. They don't need full reworks. More Mace and Kitt changes like in last patch.

Continue to push small numerical tweaks to characters and/or small tweaks like adding clones to a leader skill for a Clones Wars Jedi so it is not only Jedi. Many of your characters are designed fine. They just need small tweaks to base numbers. Jedi are an example of this.

There is no excuse in today's age of big data that you can't see usage numbers to make small tweaks to guys (both nerfs, buffs) every month.

feedback

BrtStlnd
9 years ago
"JacenRoe;637050" wrote:
"Gaidal_Cain;637014" wrote:
Jedi are very versatile.

There is a REASON why so many characters have anti-Jedi abilities. If there weren't, I believe Jedi would be OP for a majority of players.

You can boost any stat you want with the right Jedi Leader. Evasion, health, offense, TM gains, counter, stealth removal, tenacity, and defense. No other faction has so many leader abilities available to them.

Just my $.02

Yeah, but the only anti Jedi toon that has been meta is Dooku (until Palpatine). A full Jedi team against any meta team without a single anti Jedi toon has been outmatched. Then on top of that there are mediocre toons who would be great against Jedi... If Jedi weren't so bad as a class already that meta toons can shred them effortlessly.

You're right that they are a versatile class. They do many things, but there isn't anything they do great. They're just OK. JKA, and QGJ are great. The other 13 are trash. And the thing Jedi are worst at is dealing damage. Healing might be the one thing they're best at, but healing has been gimped by protection. If I want to get destroyed in arena, I'll put in a healer.

I would say that IGD and Aayla are also very usable on many teams
Nikoms565
9 years ago
There is one thing Jedi do as a whole, much better than any other faction : Heal. Granted, in the current state of the game, healing is not as valuable as it was before protection (and for many of us, earlier in the game - especially in GW). But in general, Jedi are excellent at healing and protecting.
JacenRoe
9 years ago
"BrtStlnd;637059" wrote:
"JacenRoe;637050" wrote:
"Gaidal_Cain;637014" wrote:
Jedi are very versatile.

There is a REASON why so many characters have anti-Jedi abilities. If there weren't, I believe Jedi would be OP for a majority of players.

You can boost any stat you want with the right Jedi Leader. Evasion, health, offense, TM gains, counter, stealth removal, tenacity, and defense. No other faction has so many leader abilities available to them.

Just my $.02

Yeah, but the only anti Jedi toon that has been meta is Dooku (until Palpatine). A full Jedi team against any meta team without a single anti Jedi toon has been outmatched. Then on top of that there are mediocre toons who would be great against Jedi... If Jedi weren't so bad as a class already that meta toons can shred them effortlessly.

You're right that they are a versatile class. They do many things, but there isn't anything they do great. They're just OK. JKA, and QGJ are great. The other 13 are trash. And the thing Jedi are worst at is dealing damage. Healing might be the one thing they're best at, but healing has been gimped by protection. If I want to get destroyed in arena, I'll put in a healer.

I would say that IGD and Aayla are also very usable on many teams

They are probably the best of what's left. Yoda also, just not on defense. AI has no clue how to use him.

I will say that a while back a whale on my server was trying to run IGD (lead), Aayla, QGJ, Yoda, Lumi in arena. Every toon was max geared/omega abilities. He was my favorite target in arena. I had gear 8/9 toons wrecking his gear 10/11s. But this was before mods to be fair.
scottcovarrubia
9 years ago
"Nikoms565;637064" wrote:
There is one thing Jedi do as a whole, much better than any other faction : Heal. Granted, in the current state of the game, healing is not as valuable as it was before protection (and for many of us, earlier in the game - especially in GW). But in general, Jedi are excellent at healing and protecting.

I would say that Jedi are best at buffing in general. Also, Yoda is a "great" Jedi on offense (and, in my opinion, defense) because of his versatility and tenacity buff. He is the anti-sith character. His Battle Meditation counters most Sith benefits.
Brauug
9 years ago
Most Jedi that are used are not versatile. They are used because they BIC for their role.

QGJ is the BIC single target dispeller in the game. (Excluding sun fac as he not F2P). Mace does same role and is useless b/c he is not BIC in his role and had no Jedi identity synergy that would make him useful on certain teams.

Old Ben is best Evasion lead in game due to his AoE buff and leader being universal.

JKA and Aalya are examples of good Jedi with clear identities. JKA fits great with clones and AoE dos teams. Aalya is great in counter and stun teams.

All Jedi leader abilities are mimicked by at least one other faction leader so that doesn't make them OP at all.

Jedi appear to be defensive minded but they don't synergize with any defensive skills or with other Jedi. What do I mean by this? There is no cascading or reinforcement with their abilities. Well designed characters is factions have reinforcement synergies.

Droids synergize around critical damage and with being with other droids.

Clones synergize around being with other clones and calling assists.

Ewoks synergize being around other Ewoks and manipulating turn meter.

First order is around crits and advantage.

Resistance is supposed to be expose. It's just not implemented well.

Jawas are anti-droid or teaming up with droids.

Scoundrels lack clear identity outside thermal detonators, but it's just not implemented well.

What is Jedi's identity? Why don't their skills give bonuses or build off other Jedi abilities like other factions?
Slifer765
9 years ago
I use Jedi all the time so I would love a buff and or more synergy but I would argue against the idea that they have no focus versatility is their strength the ability to play so many different type of teams this would be more noticeable if the weaker Jedi got improved
o7o2jzfw
9 years ago
Someone on a similar thread pointed out that Jedi not having powerful synergy together makes sense because if you look at the movies, games, etc.... most of the time one or two Jedi is off on their own doing things and never together as a team like clones or droids.
alwhite20
9 years ago
One day Jedi Luke or general obi wan will bring the Jedi back to order. Maybe Rey (starkiller base) will help. Even though I doubt she will be consider a Jedi. Then rogue one will bring more rebels & a few empire characters. Unless cg ask their fellow ea mates from the old republic game for a little info about some old sith characters. Then sith will take over the galaxy like intended. All I ask is for malgus & reavan.
Pjaymiller
9 years ago
I have only recently started on a Jedi squad. Occassionally I come up against some really well put together Jedi teams. They are probably the best for countering RG (or any taunt) with Windu and QGJ. Add Bariss, Lumi and/or Ahsoka for healing, Bariss heal ignores immunity.Anakin for AoE, Old Ben for debuff whole squad, Yoda to buff whole squad. Seems like alot of potential in Jedi.
Brauug
9 years ago
I'd agree that they are good at healing. I'd say that is defensive identity. Ignoring the protection/heal issue, healing is solo.

How can we make heals an identity for Jedi or make being defensive an identity?

Maybe tweaking underpowered Jedi to have bonuses on turns after heals?

Example: Mace expose has additional 20% to proc if healed by an ability before turn? That would give him synergy with healers.

Ahsoka's unique buff could also reset when healed by an ability (excludes gear leech). Or, maybe if fully buffed and full of life, Ahoska then has chance to case critical avoidance on another Jedi if present. Similar to chief Nebits protection concept

Jedi knight gaurdian assists when another Jedi heals. Think of this like AA's leader except it only procs for her and only on heals.