Who at CG thinks 574% Defense is a "good idea"?

you can try using offensive focused datacrons to counter it

"Whatelse73;d-266400" wrote:
Seriously CG? What makes you think this is not absolutely game breaking? a datacron with almost 400% defense, WITH an ability that adds another 200% defense? The previous set of defense datacrons was bad enough and now you're making it even worse?

"Oh hey, let's make players sit in 10-25 matches a day and spend 5 full minutes each match on our rubbish datacrons to make them SUFFER even more than they already do!"

I feel like someone's ego is keeping them obstinate to how badly datacrons are effecting "enjoyment" of this game. But if the ego is pushing to make people quit, well, congratulations because players are.

Just because you do one positive or beneficial thing for players doesn't mean you are free to surround that one positive with 5-10 really bad things that will demotivate players.

I believe 'players are quitting the game' is a tired trope that keeps getting brought out when some don't like a decision that is made by CG.

This game's fan-base is very passionate about a wide variety of things; it's clear you are not a fan of Defense %, and that's ok; but an unproven claim that that "someone's ego" is making this game unfun for you does not help your case. Putting literal quotes on a conversation that only happened in your own mind doesn't help either.

To that end: this game is (i think) 7+ years old and closing in on (if not already blown past) 2 billion dollars. While I do not necessarily like Defense % either, I'm not going to rant on the forum that people are leaving the game about it, either. I don't think the Defense % is game breaking - I've been playing the game most of today and I've seen no reports that it is not working.

CG has made much more profound mistakes than making Defense % too high, yet we are all still here playing.

"el_mago;c-2444817" wrote:

"Whatelse73;d-266400" wrote:
Seriously CG? What makes you think this is not absolutely game breaking? a datacron with almost 400% defense, WITH an ability that adds another 200% defense? The previous set of defense datacrons was bad enough and now you're making it even worse?

"Oh hey, let's make players sit in 10-25 matches a day and spend 5 full minutes each match on our rubbish datacrons to make them SUFFER even more than they already do!"

I feel like someone's ego is keeping them obstinate to how badly datacrons are effecting "enjoyment" of this game. But if the ego is pushing to make people quit, well, congratulations because players are.

Just because you do one positive or beneficial thing for players doesn't mean you are free to surround that one positive with 5-10 really bad things that will demotivate players.

I believe 'players are quitting the game' is a tired trope that keeps getting brought out when some don't like a decision that is made by CG.

This game's fan-base is very passionate about a wide variety of things; it's clear you are not a fan of Defense %, and that's ok; but an unproven claim that that "someone's ego" is making this game unfun for you does not help your case. Putting literal quotes on a conversation that only happened in your own mind doesn't help either.

To that end: this game is (i think) 7+ years old and closing in on (if not already blown past) 2 billion dollars. While I do not necessarily like Defense % either, I'm not going to rant on the forum that people are leaving the game about it, either. I don't think the Defense % is game breaking - I've been playing the game most of today and I've seen no reports that it is not working.

CG has made much more profound mistakes than making Defense % too high, yet we are all still here playing.

I didn't say, "hundreds" or "all players" are going to quit. I do know players who "literally" have quit and datacrons were the catalyst. Content creators have also moved on to other games because of the datacron "impact" on the game and its players.

You are correct though, they have made a lot bigger mistakes and they keep making them. Though, there hasn't been a consistency / pattern of mistakes, poor implementations, etc., in so short a time frame in "previous" years.

"tylescope;c-2444816" wrote:
you can try using offensive focused datacrons to counter it

When I find a datacron that gives me 574% armor penetration, I'll let you know. lol

That's not how AP works, btw

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2444824" wrote:
That's not how AP works, btw

I was being facetious.

If you look at how stats work though, the 200% is a waste
A unit with 50% damage mitigation
+376% changes that to 82.65
+567% changes that to 87.12%

So the extra 200% gains less than 5% damage mitigation and takes some time to even get that.

Don't know what the other faction abilities are, to me there would be some other one that would be better than getting another 5% damage mitigation.

A unit with 50% damage mitigation
+376% changes that to 82.65

Right.

So it "only" requires 3x the amount of damage to kill it. If it normally takes you 3 minutes to chew through someone, now it only takes, let me check my math here, 9 minutes.

Phew, and I thought this was going to have some actual determinative effects on real battles based on the way folks were talking!

"MasterSeedy;c-2444843" wrote:

A unit with 50% damage mitigation
+376% changes that to 82.65

Right.

So it "only" requires 3x the amount of damage to kill it. If it normally takes you 3 minutes to chew through someone, now it only takes, let me check my math here, 9 minutes.

Phew, and I thought this was going to have some actual determinative effects on real battles based on the way folks were talking!

Wasn't my point but ok.

That 5% makes, from 82 to 87, means it takes about 1.5x as much damage to kill. Every single defense point raises your effective HP by the same amount. There is no "wasted" amount in that sense.

Of course, there are sources of damage that ignore defense altogether, but that's another topic.