Why does basically everyone have the same skill rating?

"Kisakee;c-2321310" wrote:
All 7.263.050 GP and above players are Kyber 1.

Wasn't it suppose to be 7.5mil?

None of this is going to be fixed. Didn't any of you actually think about the new match making? They said gp won't matter. GLs won't matter. You will hit a ceiling based on the money you spent.

"MaruMaru;c-2321518" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321497" wrote:
Face facts... if 7.6mil gets you in kyber 1, where all the guys who have relic 8 everyone are.... you will be falling out of kyber 1.

I have 8.3mil and im in there too.

It means first few gacs are gonna be bad.

Figure ill land in kyber 3 to 5 after taking a beating for a while. We will see.

Good news bad news time:

The idea is that you can grow your GP and youll fight back up and level out again. But the catch is, only if the rest of the gac system doesnt grow at your same rate.

If you do grow at the same rate as all those you are seeded with and you all grow at a rate <= those in the rankings above you... you all go no place.


Hence the issue with this system. Once you get normalized, thats about where you are gonna stay unless you whale or they slow on releasing charcters or new relic levels so that you can catch up to the kinds of unlocks and gear higher seeds have.

At the kyber levels its gonna come down to the amount of characters you have reliced

I think your math is pretty off. You can only use 110 toons against eachother. So 110 toons at relics and that's it. The relic 8 hyperboles doesn't exist.

So you dont believe that the top end of kyber 1 doesnt have 110 relic8 characters?

I hope you are right but i think this is going to be a point of you fall to a norm and then as the favored teams change you will either have thrm relicd and modded right or you wont.

If you dont and you cant get it faster than those above you, you stay put and never progress up

Did anyone believe they'd get it right? Couldn't even get the initial payout of crystals right. Going to be a mess for a bit but will settle out. Truly sad part about this is it all ends up with everyone being in a 50/50 area at the end. They used "skill points" to create the illusion that any of it is based on skill. Whole thing is a joke.

Lets just look at ahnald for a second. Like him or hate him.... he buys the newest characters and takes them to r5 on day 1.

He will have the current best gac teams and will have the next best gac team at relic 5 right after its released.

How likely is it that are you going to beat him if hes got something shiney and new that you cant get past in 1 hit?

Keep in mind those 110 characters you have are fined tuned and ready to counter or be countered in known ways. And the top end of gac its about how many matches you cleared without losing units and how many times you failed vs how the opponent did in that regard.

You are likely to get to a 50/50 win lose ratio based on that. That is how the seed system works. Its "skill", but skill comes down to relic level and mods on your teams or a counter team that the other person didnt anticipate. After a while all those become well known. Which reduces the skill aspect to just having the right characters reliced and modded at the right times. (Also having more reliced toons thatn the 110 mentioned above gives you options on counters that perhaps havent been thought of yet)

So here comes the new meta gac defense team. You didnt whale day 1.... do you think you are winning today or no?

If no, how many around you did whale? If everyone but you, you drop. If noone did, you stay until everyone basically has it (hopefully you are faster but at least at the same time to get said team) or get a new counter worked out.

Moving up requires you to get the shiny and new before those around you and faster than those above you so that you can equalize with them before the counter is found or created and whaled on.


This systems appears to be designed to get you to a spot and your not gonna move much once you get there without getring the shiny and new things.

I hope im way off, but i dont think i am.

Well, I stull prefer this over what we had.

The bottom of kyber 1 (7.3m-7.5m) has rating 3569. Then everyone 7.6m and up has 3810. This will result in very unpleasant matches for the folks near the low end of the 3810 group for a while, perhaps several weeks. However, I doubt any of the 3810 folks are dropping out of kyber 1 any time soon. They have a 241 point head start on the bottom of kyber 1. In aurodium and lower, dropping 241 points would move you 3 divisions. We don't yet know how many points you lose for each loss, but I'm guessing it's in the 10-20 range. It can't be much more than that or things would never settle into equilibrium, it would be chaos forever.

"MaruMaru;c-2321668" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321661" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2321518" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321497" wrote:
Face facts... if 7.6mil gets you in kyber 1, where all the guys who have relic 8 everyone are.... you will be falling out of kyber 1.

I have 8.3mil and im in there too.

It means first few gacs are gonna be bad.

Figure ill land in kyber 3 to 5 after taking a beating for a while. We will see.

Good news bad news time:

The idea is that you can grow your GP and youll fight back up and level out again. But the catch is, only if the rest of the gac system doesnt grow at your same rate.

If you do grow at the same rate as all those you are seeded with and you all grow at a rate <= those in the rankings above you... you all go no place.


Hence the issue with this system. Once you get normalized, thats about where you are gonna stay unless you whale or they slow on releasing charcters or new relic levels so that you can catch up to the kinds of unlocks and gear higher seeds have.

At the kyber levels its gonna come down to the amount of characters you have reliced

I think your math is pretty off. You can only use 110 toons against eachother. So 110 toons at relics and that's it. The relic 8 hyperboles doesn't exist.

So you dont believe that the top end of kyber 1 doesnt have 110 relic8 characters?

I hope you are right but i think this is going to be a point of you fall to a norm and then as the favored teams change you will either have thrm relicd and modded right or you wont.

If you dont and you cant get it faster than those above you, you stay put and never progress up

For a steady gac revenue, I don't (noone) needs to be at the top of kyber 1. Neither do I have to have the very latest team or the entire roster at let's say r9 (why not? aren't we hyperboling). All I need is 110 toons well built and sail in kyber 1.

Yeah good luck. Im in kyber 1 and i have 122 reliced toons at relic 5 or higher. (Have 4 are relic 3 and 1 at relic 4 im moving to r5 as we speak....)

My expectation is i wont be staying in kyber 1 as its the kraken zone. As a dolphin / minnow type player who leans to less spending.... im imagine'n the kyber 1 through 4 will be big spenders and i may be lucky and land in lower seeded 4 or middle of kyber 5.

Its not simply having 122 relic toons but having the right reliced characters to counter what you enemy put on D.

The more relic toons you have, the more selection you have to do that while maintaining a strong defense

"Keydash1;c-2321685" wrote:
The bottom of kyber 1 (7.3m-7.5m) has rating 3569. Then everyone 7.6m and up has 3810. This will result in very unpleasant matches for the folks near the low end of the 3810 group for a while, perhaps several weeks. However, I doubt any of the 3810 folks are dropping out of kyber 1 any time soon. They have a 241 point head start on the bottom of kyber 1. In aurodium and lower, dropping 241 points would move you 3 divisions. We don't yet know how many points you lose for each loss, but I'm guessing it's in the 10-20 range. It can't be much more than that or things would never settle into equilibrium, it would be chaos forever.

The issue is, once stablized.... will you be able to move much given your "skill".

I dont believe so

"MaruMaru;c-2321711" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321705" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2321668" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321661" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2321518" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321497" wrote:
Face facts... if 7.6mil gets you in kyber 1, where all the guys who have relic 8 everyone are.... you will be falling out of kyber 1.

I have 8.3mil and im in there too.

It means first few gacs are gonna be bad.

Figure ill land in kyber 3 to 5 after taking a beating for a while. We will see.

Good news bad news time:

The idea is that you can grow your GP and youll fight back up and level out again. But the catch is, only if the rest of the gac system doesnt grow at your same rate.

If you do grow at the same rate as all those you are seeded with and you all grow at a rate <= those in the rankings above you... you all go no place.


Hence the issue with this system. Once you get normalized, thats about where you are gonna stay unless you whale or they slow on releasing charcters or new relic levels so that you can catch up to the kinds of unlocks and gear higher seeds have.

At the kyber levels its gonna come down to the amount of characters you have reliced

I think your math is pretty off. You can only use 110 toons against eachother. So 110 toons at relics and that's it. The relic 8 hyperboles doesn't exist.

So you dont believe that the top end of kyber 1 doesnt have 110 relic8 characters?

I hope you are right but i think this is going to be a point of you fall to a norm and then as the favored teams change you will either have thrm relicd and modded right or you wont.

If you dont and you cant get it faster than those above you, you stay put and never progress up

For a steady gac revenue, I don't (noone) needs to be at the top of kyber 1. Neither do I have to have the very latest team or the entire roster at let's say r9 (why not? aren't we hyperboling). All I need is 110 toons well built and sail in kyber 1.

Yeah good luck. Im in kyber 1 and i have 122 reliced toons at relic 5 or higher. (Have 4 are relic 3 and 1 at relic 4 im moving to r5 as we speak....)

My expectation is i wont be staying in kyber 1 as its the kraken zone. As a dolphin / minnow type player who leans to less spending.... im imagine'n the kyber 1 through 4 will be big spenders and i may be lucky and land in lower seeded 4 or middle of kyber 5.

Its not simply having 122 relic toons but having the right reliced characters to counter what you enemy put on D.

The more relic toons you have, the more selection you have to do that while maintaining a strong defense

I don't see where your logic is coming from, who is gonna drop me towards low end of kyber; currently 7.2m whales? As they gain gp, so do I. I'm a 7.9m f2p 1.0m+ legacy gac points f2p btw. Those points were gained by what you are saying doesn't matter, contemplation of matches and skill.

As to who will drop you.... you have 7.9 and are now in kyber 1 with guys who are at 9.3 and over.

You will be matched with them until it normalizes. They are going to have tools and toons you dont have.... hence the higher gp.


I hope you are correct but i dont think you will be in the short or log term. But good luck.