Why does basically everyone have the same skill rating?

"ShaggyB;c-2321666" wrote:
Lets just look at ahnald for a second. Like him or hate him.... he buys the newest characters and takes them to r5 on day 1.

He will have the current best gac teams and will have the next best gac team at relic 5 right after its released.

How likely is it that are you going to beat him if hes got something shiney and new that you cant get past in 1 hit?

Keep in mind those 110 characters you have are fined tuned and ready to counter or be countered in known ways. And the top end of gac its about how many matches you cleared without losing units and how many times you failed vs how the opponent did in that regard.

You are likely to get to a 50/50 win lose ratio based on that. That is how the seed system works. Its "skill", but skill comes down to relic level and mods on your teams or a counter team that the other person didnt anticipate. After a while all those become well known. Which reduces the skill aspect to just having the right characters reliced and modded at the right times. (Also having more reliced toons thatn the 110 mentioned above gives you options on counters that perhaps havent been thought of yet)

So here comes the new meta gac defense team. You didnt whale day 1.... do you think you are winning today or no?

If no, how many around you did whale? If everyone but you, you drop. If noone did, you stay until everyone basically has it (hopefully you are faster but at least at the same time to get said team) or get a new counter worked out.

Moving up requires you to get the shiny and new before those around you and faster than those above you so that you can equalize with them before the counter is found or created and whaled on.


This systems appears to be designed to get you to a spot and your not gonna move much once you get there without getring the shiny and new things.

I hope im way off, but i dont think i am.

This is correct. It's almost as if they reward you for growing your account efficiently... What a novel concept.

If you are 6gl+starkiller+dbb, yes, you need the newest shiny to stay there in kyber 1. If you have 2 gl... When you get that 3rd one, you will jump several leagues.

Finally it is going to be based on how good/deep your roster and mods are, not based on how good you manipulated your top 80gp. This is what everyone's dream has been for years... True matchmaking based on numbers of gls and how good your roster is. I've been arguing that, people that wanted to be matched by number of gls, I'm fine with it as long as everyone with more gl's than you got better rewards... This is exactly that now

People are just sad now that they realize that this is the actualization of that type of system.. if you are always matched with equal people, you should be 50/50 in winning and you should be ranked lower than people you can't beat :smiley:

Since the initial seeding is based on people's GP, the first month of GAC will basically show how good your roster is for your current GP, as in, relative to your GP (7.6M+ people excluded since they will face people from 7.6M-10.5M).

You will be fighting people with similar GP at the beginning, as they will have the same rating as you. If you have a bloated roster, or a non-focused roster, you will likely lose to people with leaner rosters and move down a bit. There you will be fighting lower GP players. For people with leaner rosters things will likely be the opposite, they will climb in ranks and will end up facing higher GP players.

But there's a "limit" up to which you will be able to climb or drop. If you drop down far enough, you will be facing such low players relative to your GP, that it will basically be impossible to drop further for you (unless you don't play at all), as your roster will be much superior to your opponents. Same goes for people that climb up due to having great rosters/good skills. They will reach a point where they will be facing super high opponents that will crush them simply because they're way too advanced in terms of roster strength/depth.

99% of the people that are in Kyber 1 right now, will very likely not drop lower than Kyber 3 or 4, simply because their rosters will be too strong to lose to 5.5-6M GP people, even if they are not a good player in terms of skill. Exceptions will only occur if players don't play. Just like people lower than 6M will very likely never reach Kyber 1, simply because their rosters aren't strong enough to face most people with 7.2M, no matter how well they play.

To sum it up, the majority of the player base likely won't move much further down or up compared to where they are now. People that are in Division 1 of their league will never drop out of their league. And people that are in Division 5 of their league will likely never reach the next league, or at least not anytime soon (unless they are huge spenders and progress quickly). Exceptions are people that won't play the mode or are inactive. But that's pretty much the gist of it.

"ShaggyB;c-2321705" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2321668" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321661" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2321518" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2321497" wrote:
Face facts... if 7.6mil gets you in kyber 1, where all the guys who have relic 8 everyone are.... you will be falling out of kyber 1.

I have 8.3mil and im in there too.

It means first few gacs are gonna be bad.

Figure ill land in kyber 3 to 5 after taking a beating for a while. We will see.

Good news bad news time:

The idea is that you can grow your GP and youll fight back up and level out again. But the catch is, only if the rest of the gac system doesnt grow at your same rate.

If you do grow at the same rate as all those you are seeded with and you all grow at a rate <= those in the rankings above you... you all go no place.


Hence the issue with this system. Once you get normalized, thats about where you are gonna stay unless you whale or they slow on releasing charcters or new relic levels so that you can catch up to the kinds of unlocks and gear higher seeds have.

At the kyber levels its gonna come down to the amount of characters you have reliced

I think your math is pretty off. You can only use 110 toons against eachother. So 110 toons at relics and that's it. The relic 8 hyperboles doesn't exist.

So you dont believe that the top end of kyber 1 doesnt have 110 relic8 characters?

I hope you are right but i think this is going to be a point of you fall to a norm and then as the favored teams change you will either have thrm relicd and modded right or you wont.

If you dont and you cant get it faster than those above you, you stay put and never progress up

For a steady gac revenue, I don't (noone) needs to be at the top of kyber 1. Neither do I have to have the very latest team or the entire roster at let's say r9 (why not? aren't we hyperboling). All I need is 110 toons well built and sail in kyber 1.

Yeah good luck. Im in kyber 1 and i have 122 reliced toons at relic 5 or higher. (Have 4 are relic 3 and 1 at relic 4 im moving to r5 as we speak....)

My expectation is i wont be staying in kyber 1 as its the kraken zone. As a dolphin / minnow type player who leans to less spending.... im imagine'n the kyber 1 through 4 will be big spenders and i may be lucky and land in lower seeded 4 or middle of kyber 5.

Its not simply having 122 relic toons but having the right reliced characters to counter what you enemy put on D.

The more relic toons you have, the more selection you have to do that while maintaining a strong defense

I honeslty believe you have a very skewed picture of how many players are high GP/"full" relic rosters. According to CG, we are now distributed roughly by the % of the player base who are intended to be in each league/division (otherwise they should have started out with a different split). This means that if you are sitting at 8.3m GP, you are about 1m GP above the current cut-off for div1, so you expect that there are enough players with 1m GP less than you, and enough high relic toons so that they can kick you down several divisions?
According to community collected data (courtesy of Taliana from 50 shards of KAM and the people behind swgoh.gg) you should expect to be able to stick in Kyber d2 if you have 3 or more GLs and players with 4 GLs should expect to be either top of d2 or bottom of d1, meaning that everyone with 5 or more GL's should comfortably float in Kyber d1.

Kyber d1 should hold about 17.000 players (with current number of players), so the real question is if you are among the top 17.000 players. I'd be shocked if that's not the case.
But might be we should revisit this thread in a month or so and see if I was overly optmistic or you were overly pessimistic :)

They already said the matchmaking will be awful to start with. It'll need a few weeks to sort itself out

"MaruMaru;c-2322332" wrote:
So it turns out it really is complete rando within the leagues. My bunch is all over the place.

Seems like an early conclusion to draw when almost everyone in K1 has the same skill rating.

Also, my entire bracket is the same division as me. You seeing folks in a different division within your league?

After a while, everyone will have close to 6/12 record and lock yourself in place. Then the bragging right will be about: I spent less money to get to same rank, or I spent less time to get to the same rank or some combination of the two. Lol

"MaruMaru;c-2322332" wrote:
So it turns out it really is complete rando within the leagues. My bunch is all over the place.

If you mean the GP, then it is only all over the place in Kyber 1, since everyone above 7.6M has the same skill rating. Everyone else is matched by GP, because GP is what determined this first new GAC's skill rating on launch. This is obviously still very imbalanced as GP doesn't tell much about one's roster... but you have to start somewhere when you decide on a new system. Over the next weeks and months there will be a lot of movement until people settle in where they belong. If everything works out as expected, then I think CG will have done a decent job with the new matchmaking system.

Skill rating is the same initially, so that anyone at 7.8 Million GP+ can match with anyone to determine everyone's skill fairly, and after a couple of weeks, the rating should normalize

The matchmaking should balance itself out after this season when people are properly rated for their skill