Why was I relegated to Kyber 2?

"Gabe9876543210;d-252321" wrote:
I was in Kyber 1 when the event started, due to my high GP. I knew I would struggle to stay, because I have low GL to GP ratio, and I do expect to fall to Kyber 2 at some point.

Fortunately, this round, I still managed to sneak a win in the last matchup, so I ended in spot #6, which should be the same as #5-#7 with a single win.

#8 obviously got relegated to Kyber 2.
#5 and #7 are still in Kyber 1.
Me, at #6 got relegated to Kyber 2.

We have been told it is the Skill Rating that sets who gets dropped, and #5 has 3,540, #7 has 3,528 and me at #6 has 3,525. So that checks out.

But wasn't the original skill rating supposed to be based on GP alone? #7 has 7.5M, I have 7.4M, and #5 has 7.3M,

Why is my new skill rating less than #5's? I have (and most likely had) more GP than them at the start, and we both had one win.

It really is not a big deal that I was relegated, but to me it seems like bad math.

The order of your wins mattered. Guy who won in 1st round beat a higher SK and therefore lost to a higher SK at least in round 2.

I think that's what's happening.

Similar thing happened in my bracket: I finished 5th (1 win, 2 losses) and have been relegated yet the player in 6th with same record but having scored 33 banners less over the 3 matches hasn't been relegated, and the player in 8th with 0 wins also hasn't been relegated - wtf?!

Checked my bracket. One guy with 2 wins lost in round 1. He has the lowest SR of the 2-win folks. Makes sense the guy with 1 win that won in round 1 would therefore have the highest SR of the 1-win folks

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2323745" wrote:

"Gabe9876543210;d-252321" wrote:
I was in Kyber 1 when the event started, due to my high GP. I knew I would struggle to stay, because I have low GL to GP ratio, and I do expect to fall to Kyber 2 at some point.

Fortunately, this round, I still managed to sneak a win in the last matchup, so I ended in spot #6, which should be the same as #5-#7 with a single win.

#8 obviously got relegated to Kyber 2.
#5 and #7 are still in Kyber 1.
Me, at #6 got relegated to Kyber 2.

We have been told it is the Skill Rating that sets who gets dropped, and #5 has 3,540, #7 has 3,528 and me at #6 has 3,525. So that checks out.

But wasn't the original skill rating supposed to be based on GP alone? #7 has 7.5M, I have 7.4M, and #5 has 7.3M,

Why is my new skill rating less than #5's? I have (and most likely had) more GP than them at the start, and we both had one win.

It really is not a big deal that I was relegated, but to me it seems like bad math.

The order of your wins mattered. Guy who won in 1st round beat a higher SK and therefore lost to a higher SK at least in round 2.

I think that's what's happening.

So, explain to me how in my bracket I finish 5th and get relegated but the player in 8th with 0 wins doesn't get relegated?? :|

Also interestingly, those that didn't sign up for GAC at all for the first round are still sitting pretty at their initial skill rating. No relegation. Maybe that will change after the entire tournament. Who knows...

"Beeblebrox;c-2323748" wrote:

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2323745" wrote:

"Gabe9876543210;d-252321" wrote:
I was in Kyber 1 when the event started, due to my high GP. I knew I would struggle to stay, because I have low GL to GP ratio, and I do expect to fall to Kyber 2 at some point.

Fortunately, this round, I still managed to sneak a win in the last matchup, so I ended in spot #6, which should be the same as #5-#7 with a single win.

#8 obviously got relegated to Kyber 2.
#5 and #7 are still in Kyber 1.
Me, at #6 got relegated to Kyber 2.

We have been told it is the Skill Rating that sets who gets dropped, and #5 has 3,540, #7 has 3,528 and me at #6 has 3,525. So that checks out.

But wasn't the original skill rating supposed to be based on GP alone? #7 has 7.5M, I have 7.4M, and #5 has 7.3M,

Why is my new skill rating less than #5's? I have (and most likely had) more GP than them at the start, and we both had one win.

It really is not a big deal that I was relegated, but to me it seems like bad math.

The order of your wins mattered. Guy who won in 1st round beat a higher SK and therefore lost to a higher SK at least in round 2.

I think that's what's happening.

So, explain to me how in my bracket I finish 5th and get relegated but the player in 8th with 0 wins doesn't get relegated?? :|

I cannot. I would also like to know this.

"Beeblebrox;c-2323746" wrote:
Similar thing happened in my bracket: I finished 5th (1 win, 2 losses) and have been relegated yet the player in 6th with same record but having scored 33 banners less over the 3 matches hasn't been relegated, and the player in 8th with 0 wins also hasn't been relegated - ****?!

"Quality of win" matters not at all. No matter if you win by 100 or lose by 1 its just a win or loss and your skill rating adjusts based on difference between you and your opponent's Skill Rating. If you beat someone with more skill rating you go up more than if you beat someone with lower skill rating than you.

Same thing happened to me, I expected to be relegated eventually because I am at exactly the wrong GP to qualify for Kyber 1 at start, but to not have solid enough defenses to face any enemy teams. But if only the bottom 10% are relegated, shouldn't all 0-3s be relegated before any 1-2s?

I got two full clears (and then helllllllllllllla biffed it in round 2 against a guy with three Legends and 300,000 more GP) so I feel like I should be higher than 10% considering the number of players who are likely to have autoset or to have done minimal engagement?

The bigger problem, though, is that my reward for winning the third round was a Kyber 2 payout. But since the battle happened when I was Kyber 1, shouldn't I get the full payout? I collected my event rewards before I thought to check if they were Kyber 1 or Kyber 2, so I'm not sure of that. But I for sure noticed that I didn't get 900 crystals for my win ?

Can we get some confirmation on what's going on before CG goes on holiday?

"OldBaldGuyGaming;c-2323756" wrote:

"Beeblebrox;c-2323746" wrote:
Similar thing happened in my bracket: I finished 5th (1 win, 2 losses) and have been relegated yet the player in 6th with same record but having scored 33 banners less over the 3 matches hasn't been relegated, and the player in 8th with 0 wins also hasn't been relegated - ****?!

"Quality of win" matters not at all. No matter if you win by 100 or lose by 1 its just a win or loss and your skill rating adjusts based on difference between you and your opponent's Skill Rating. If you beat someone with more skill rating you go up more than if you beat someone with lower skill rating than you.

That could explain my situation if it works this way. So "quality of win" matters, but not by the banners, but by the skill rating (or potentially difference) of the one you are beating.

I don't think it should matter in which of the 3 matches you beat them though, other than indirectly by the above.

It actually makes sense that you would gain more if you beat someone much higher, and you would drop more if you lose to someone much lower. From a balance point of view. I guess I'm satisfied with that answer. For now. :grin:

Its the skill range. 3540 is the bare min for kyber 1.

Your original seed was based on GP. After the rounds finish its based on skill score. Drop below 3540 and you drop.

If player in #8 had a higher skill score at the start... aka hes seeded higher based on gp.... then he come in dead last and may still be above 3540 skill points.