Yeah more like TFP has a 90% chance to gain foresight
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- You should look at the mechanics.
- Counter chance are additive according to swgoh.gg so Aayla counters 100% under IGD lead.
"Take_a_Bite;901457" wrote:
The percentages do not stack unlike counter chance.
Let's assume for the sake of my laziness of doing the calculation in my head that tfp has 33% chance to gain foresight per enemy.
First chance would be 33%, if that fails then we have another 33% to gain foresight so 33% of 66% is 22%. So 2 debuffed enemies is 55% = 33% + 22%. Another fail leads to 33% of 44% is about 15%. Thus we have about 70% for 3 enemies. Again I made simplifications in the decimal places, but the calculation method is correct
Yes, but it's way easier to do the inverse, and subtracting from 1. He has 1 - .65^X chance of gaining foresight, with X being the number of debuffed enemies.
However, this is how it logically should work. It's entirely possible that the way it is implemented is that it is a single dice roll (and not X), for the chance min(1, .35*X). Doesn't make much sense to do it this way, but it's programattically easier, and their code monkeys might not understand statistics either ;)
I personally haven't tested enough to know either way. If you ALWAYS get foresight with 3+ enemies being debuffed, it works in the latter way. If you sometimes don't get foresight despite 5 enemies being debuffed, it works in the former way."Rakim;901486" wrote:
"crzydroid;901480" wrote:
"Rakim;901471" wrote:
"crzydroid;901467" wrote:
"Rakim;901435" wrote:
"Take_a_Bite;901428" wrote:
"TaterSalad;901424" wrote:
35% per debuffed emeny so over 100% chance if 3 or more enemies are debuffed. With an 80% chance to inflict buff immunity on his aoe, plus other empire characters, he pretty much always gets foresight.
That's not how percentages work
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The percentages are additive just like IGD lead with Aayla. She has a 65% counter chance, IGD lead gives 35% chance, she ends up with 100% chance. Pretty sure TFP works the same way with his foresight, 35% per debuffed enemy so 3+ debuffed and he's living with foresight."Rakim;901435" wrote:
"Take_a_Bite;901428" wrote:
"TaterSalad;901424" wrote:
35% per debuffed emeny so over 100% chance if 3 or more enemies are debuffed. With an 80% chance to inflict buff immunity on his aoe, plus other empire characters, he pretty much always gets foresight.
That's not how percentages work
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The percentages are additive just like IGD lead with Aayla. She has a 65% counter chance, IGD lead gives 35% chance, she ends up with 100% chance. Pretty sure TFP works the same way with his foresight, 35% per debuffed enemy so 3+ debuffed and he's living with foresight.
Except it's NOT additive with Aayla, or she would counter 100%. 0.65+0.35 - 0.65*0.35 = 0.7725.
So with five debuffed enemies, 1-0.65^5=0.884.
She counters 100% of the time with an IGD lead.
Then how come she sometimes doesn't?
Tbh I've never NOT seen her counter with an IGD lead. On offense or defense. Unless of course the IGD leads you're dealing with aren't at a level high enough to to get that +35%/the Aayla unique isn't leveled high enough to get the 65% chance."Neo2551;901497" wrote:
Counter chance are additive according to swgoh.gg so Aayla counters 100% under IGD lead.
This thread pretty much explained they do stack:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/67436/ima-gun-di-lead-aayla-counter- Hm. Mechanics for counter attack do seem to say additive, but I swear Aalya has not counteted 100% when I've gone against IGD teams.
In any case, these mechanics for tfp say the dodge chance is independent once you work it out. The turnmeter uses a SUM, whereas the dodge doesn't, and I think the "additive" part of that is saying it adds 999900% dodge chance to base dodge (overkill is probably to get around reduction effects), but still only 35% chance of applying the effect.
Interesting to see there's no way to check an overall counter mechanic. The one problem I have with the mechanics on the swgoh.gg site is it tried to have some simplified presentation of the mechanics, rather than the actual code. Although I don't know if that would be proprietary. "Ava_Kdizzle;901459" wrote:
My question is why don't counters apply to foresight the same way game-wide. Even with TFP, if his ship uses its special on a guy with retribution, the foresight is applied immediately and the counterattack misses, then the foresight buff is removed. However, if the TFP character attacks someone with a counter, they counter first and then foresight applies after damage is done. What gives?
This is infuriating! I'm not sure if it's a known bug but it happens in arena all the time when I face TFP with retribution up from GK or Chaze."Obs0lete;901519" wrote:
"Ava_Kdizzle;901459" wrote:
My question is why don't counters apply to foresight the same way game-wide. Even with TFP, if his ship uses its special on a guy with retribution, the foresight is applied immediately and the counterattack misses, then the foresight buff is removed. However, if the TFP character attacks someone with a counter, they counter first and then foresight applies after damage is done. What gives?
This is infuriating! I'm not sure if it's a known bug but it happens in arena all the time when I face TFP with retribution up from GK or Chaze.
That's because different actions are granting foresight. With TF, it's a specific attack, with action completing before counter. With Pilot, it happens at turn end, after counters. Not a bug, WAI."Rakim;901486" wrote:
"crzydroid;901480" wrote:
"Rakim;901471" wrote:
"crzydroid;901467" wrote:
"Rakim;901435" wrote:
"Take_a_Bite;901428" wrote:
"TaterSalad;901424" wrote:
35% per debuffed emeny so over 100% chance if 3 or more enemies are debuffed. With an 80% chance to inflict buff immunity on his aoe, plus other empire characters, he pretty much always gets foresight.
That's not how percentages work
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The percentages are additive just like IGD lead with Aayla. She has a 65% counter chance, IGD lead gives 35% chance, she ends up with 100% chance. Pretty sure TFP works the same way with his foresight, 35% per debuffed enemy so 3+ debuffed and he's living with foresight."Rakim;901435" wrote:
"Take_a_Bite;901428" wrote:
"TaterSalad;901424" wrote:
35% per debuffed emeny so over 100% chance if 3 or more enemies are debuffed. With an 80% chance to inflict buff immunity on his aoe, plus other empire characters, he pretty much always gets foresight.
That's not how percentages work
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The percentages are additive just like IGD lead with Aayla. She has a 65% counter chance, IGD lead gives 35% chance, she ends up with 100% chance. Pretty sure TFP works the same way with his foresight, 35% per debuffed enemy so 3+ debuffed and he's living with foresight.
Except it's NOT additive with Aayla, or she would counter 100%. 0.65+0.35 - 0.65*0.35 = 0.7725.
So with five debuffed enemies, 1-0.65^5=0.884.
She counters 100% of the time with an IGD lead.
Then how come she sometimes doesn't?
Tbh I've never NOT seen her counter with an IGD lead. On offense or defense. Unless of course the IGD leads you're dealing with aren't at a level high enough to to get that +35%/the Aayla unique isn't leveled high enough to get the 65% chance.
That's a good point. I only ever seem to run into this in lower gw nodes, so they could well not be maxed. I may have also hit her with a bonus attack (I tend to favor that method against Dooku). I'll try to pay more attention next time.- Hey SOAP charged his phone lol
- Ha Ha! I even commented on that older thread offering reasons why she might not counter if it does stack.
I'm wondering if I was just remembering that thread wrong which is why I thought they didn't stack. "crzydroid;901537" wrote:
"Obs0lete;901519" wrote:
"Ava_Kdizzle;901459" wrote:
My question is why don't counters apply to foresight the same way game-wide. Even with TFP, if his ship uses its special on a guy with retribution, the foresight is applied immediately and the counterattack misses, then the foresight buff is removed. However, if the TFP character attacks someone with a counter, they counter first and then foresight applies after damage is done. What gives?
This is infuriating! I'm not sure if it's a known bug but it happens in arena all the time when I face TFP with retribution up from GK or Chaze.
That's because different actions are granting foresight. With TF, it's a specific attack, with action completing before counter. With Pilot, it happens at turn end, after counters. Not a bug, WAI."Rakim;901486" wrote:
"crzydroid;901480" wrote:
"Rakim;901471" wrote:
"crzydroid;901467" wrote:
"Rakim;901435" wrote:
"Take_a_Bite;901428" wrote:
"TaterSalad;901424" wrote:
35% per debuffed emeny so over 100% chance if 3 or more enemies are debuffed. With an 80% chance to inflict buff immunity on his aoe, plus other empire characters, he pretty much always gets foresight.
That's not how percentages work
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The percentages are additive just like IGD lead with Aayla. She has a 65% counter chance, IGD lead gives 35% chance, she ends up with 100% chance. Pretty sure TFP works the same way with his foresight, 35% per debuffed enemy so 3+ debuffed and he's living with foresight."Rakim;901435" wrote:
"Take_a_Bite;901428" wrote:
"TaterSalad;901424" wrote:
35% per debuffed emeny so over 100% chance if 3 or more enemies are debuffed. With an 80% chance to inflict buff immunity on his aoe, plus other empire characters, he pretty much always gets foresight.
That's not how percentages work
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The percentages are additive just like IGD lead with Aayla. She has a 65% counter chance, IGD lead gives 35% chance, she ends up with 100% chance. Pretty sure TFP works the same way with his foresight, 35% per debuffed enemy so 3+ debuffed and he's living with foresight.
Except it's NOT additive with Aayla, or she would counter 100%. 0.65+0.35 - 0.65*0.35 = 0.7725.
So with five debuffed enemies, 1-0.65^5=0.884.
She counters 100% of the time with an IGD lead.
Then how come she sometimes doesn't?
Tbh I've never NOT seen her counter with an IGD lead. On offense or defense. Unless of course the IGD leads you're dealing with aren't at a level high enough to to get that +35%/the Aayla unique isn't leveled high enough to get the 65% chance.
That's a good point. I only ever seem to run into this in lower gw nodes, so they could well not be maxed. I may have also hit her with a bonus attack (I tend to favor that method against Dooku). I'll try to pay more attention next time.
If they don't have Aayla and IGD upgraded it could just be 50% + 15% which is 65%, but if they have have Aayla and IGD both fully upgraded it should be 65% + 35% to get to 100%. More likely they're at 65% + 25% to get to 90%, but still both of the counter chance parts of their abilities should be fully upgraded by lvl 32 for Aayla and lvl 50 for IGD.
