Zombie Rework

You should be nervous, this is the same guy that "fixed" acolyte, is she a better character now than before her adjustment?

"CG_TopHat;c-1638567" wrote:

"CaptainRex;d-181326" wrote:
So we've heard diddly squat from the devs about what they have planned for re-working Zombie. I have her G12 right now, and I don't regret it.
However...if Zombie's rework makes it so that it's no longer advantageous for her to die, I'm going to be extremely ticked off. I currently have three zetas invested in a NS strategy that involves Zombie having low health and/or dying a lot. I know we're getting Daka's back, but Ventress L and Talzin unique also pertain to this strategy is well.
I still don't understand why this even needs a rework in the first place. Zombie was released a year ago, everyone is familiar with her, and no one saw this coming?
Anyways, I'm randomly feeling nervous about this, and would like to share my concerns with the devs, hence this post.

Sorry to hear you're feeling nervous. Please don't. :smile:

Zombie changes are still forthcoming, but we're (still) angling for a late/end of September release of the changes. The proposed changes from the design team look good (to me at least). That said, we're still doing some edge case testing and making sure that there's not something we're not thinking of.

We've got some other good stuff planned this month, so please just hang on and we'll share the proposed changes as soon as we can. Hope this helped!

Don’t blame us if you don’t trust/have zero faith that you’ll get it right since everything that gets released is horribly broken

"evoluza;c-1638842" wrote:

"Bistan_Lover;c-1638686" wrote:

"evoluza;c-1638639" wrote:

"ChristophIV;c-1638626" wrote:

"evoluza;c-1638601" wrote:

"GunsAtFour;c-1638577" wrote:

"CG_TopHat;c-1638567" wrote:

"CaptainRex;d-181326" wrote:
So we've heard diddly squat from the devs about what they have planned for re-working Zombie. I have her G12 right now, and I don't regret it.
However...if Zombie's rework makes it so that it's no longer advantageous for her to die, I'm going to be extremely ticked off. I currently have three zetas invested in a NS strategy that involves Zombie having low health and/or dying a lot. I know we're getting Daka's back, but Ventress L and Talzin unique also pertain to this strategy is well.
I still don't understand why this even needs a rework in the first place. Zombie was released a year ago, everyone is familiar with her, and no one saw this coming?
Anyways, I'm randomly feeling nervous about this, and would like to share my concerns with the devs, hence this post.

Sorry to hear you're feeling nervous. Please don't. :smile:

The proposed changes from the design team look good (to me at least).

This very statement makes us all even more nervous.!

I do wish you all would stop nerfing our favourite toons because of a dumb raid.

Who can call NS there favorite characters???

*their. And they're probably my favourite on the fun to play front.

Fun if you can't play the game. The most cheese faction we ever had in this game.
A character that can't die, if other NS are alive, tm gain, tm reduction, a lot of revive...
Pretty bad design in turn-based games

I agree that NS are most fun faction to play as. All the things you mentioned, tm gain/reduction, revives, etc, that's exactly what makes them interesting. They are one of the few teams that can squeeze a tiny bit of enjoyment out of the sith raid. It sounds as if you are salty because you can't beat them in the arena.

I am not salty. My traya can beat NS for sure. I just hate NS in clone wars and even more in game. You guys think this cheesy is fun because you can't lose, because all of that stuff. Same goes for the zfinn guy above. Using this two types of teams, is a big indicator for no game understanding!
Comping no understanding and cheese teams means enjoyment for low IQ people...

Yet I bet you've ran paper zombie in the STR to get you that Traya.

There's no need to insult or make assumptions of people's intelligence for playing a GAME in a way that they enjoy.

"Boba_The_Fetter;c-1638723" wrote:
What's edge case testing?

Edge case just means cases that need to modify the basic algorithm to take into account uncommon but still related scenarios. Think of it like when you paint a wall (which I think is where we software devs got this term from), the basic case is just put the roller on the wall and go up and down with a slight overlap. When you get to the edge though you're still putting paint on the wall, but you're movements change and overlapping changes especially if the color on the other side of that edge is different.

It basically means they have the rework figured out, but they are making sure it is properly balanced as far as they can tell.

"CG_TopHat;c-1638567" wrote:

"CaptainRex;d-181326" wrote:
So we've heard diddly squat from the devs about what they have planned for re-working Zombie. I have her G12 right now, and I don't regret it.
However...if Zombie's rework makes it so that it's no longer advantageous for her to die, I'm going to be extremely ticked off. I currently have three zetas invested in a NS strategy that involves Zombie having low health and/or dying a lot. I know we're getting Daka's back, but Ventress L and Talzin unique also pertain to this strategy is well.
I still don't understand why this even needs a rework in the first place. Zombie was released a year ago, everyone is familiar with her, and no one saw this coming?
Anyways, I'm randomly feeling nervous about this, and would like to share my concerns with the devs, hence this post.

Sorry to hear you're feeling nervous. Please don't. :smile:

Zombie changes are still forthcoming, but we're (still) angling for a late/end of September release of the changes. The proposed changes from the design team look good (to me at least). That said, we're still doing some edge case testing and making sure that there's not something we're not thinking of.

We've got some other good stuff planned this month, so please just hang on and we'll share the proposed changes as soon as we can. Hope this helped!

This is the problem I have work you guys at CG. You come in, be vague as possible, and never come back to your own forums. Go to Reddit and it's a whole different story. Unless it's changing Nightsister Acolyte back to the way she was it's not a good change. There's an entire thread of people calling you out on your bogus statement about how she's still good, and the Nightsisters are still viable in PvP, but none of that is true. You guys are making terrible decisions to change characters instead of your crappy raid, that no one likes doing. Look at the thread with over 50+ pages of feedback. Which by the way, took 50 pages to get a vague response from you @CG_TopHat Why bother having a link to your own forums in the game when you guys spend all your time on Reddit communicating there instead of here? You have people who are "Moderators" but spend more time editing posts and banning people than they do trying to get someone on here to clarification.

"Zinke7;c-1640553" wrote:
How about putting limit on how many times zombie can die.
Or limiting how long can acolyte stay sheathed.
Just saying this cause I got galactic war battle where those two are last alive and there is no way to attack acolyte and zombie has been dying for past two hours which means that I will have to forfeit 600 galactic war shard and other rewards because somebody does not have any common sense to use when designing characters.

Use an AoE character. Problem solved.

"Arcaver;c-1640495" wrote:

"CG_TopHat;c-1638567" wrote:

"CaptainRex;d-181326" wrote:
So we've heard diddly squat from the devs about what they have planned for re-working Zombie. I have her G12 right now, and I don't regret it.
However...if Zombie's rework makes it so that it's no longer advantageous for her to die, I'm going to be extremely ticked off. I currently have three zetas invested in a NS strategy that involves Zombie having low health and/or dying a lot. I know we're getting Daka's back, but Ventress L and Talzin unique also pertain to this strategy is well.
I still don't understand why this even needs a rework in the first place. Zombie was released a year ago, everyone is familiar with her, and no one saw this coming?
Anyways, I'm randomly feeling nervous about this, and would like to share my concerns with the devs, hence this post.

Sorry to hear you're feeling nervous. Please don't. :smile:

Zombie changes are still forthcoming, but we're (still) angling for a late/end of September release of the changes. The proposed changes from the design team look good (to me at least). That said, we're still doing some edge case testing and making sure that there's not something we're not thinking of.

We've got some other good stuff planned this month, so please just hang on and we'll share the proposed changes as soon as we can. Hope this helped!

This is the problem I have work you guys at CG. You come in, be vague as possible, and never come back to your own forums. Go to Reddit and it's a whole different story. Unless it's changing Nightsister Acolyte back to the way she was it's not a good change. There's an entire thread of people calling you out on your bogus statement about how she's still good, and the Nightsisters are still viable in PvP, but none of that is true. You guys are making terrible decisions to change characters instead of your **** raid, that no one likes doing. Look at the thread with over 50+ pages of feedback. Which by the way, took 50 pages to get a vague response from you @CG_TopHat Why bother having a link to your own forums in the game when you guys spend all your time on Reddit communicating there instead of here? You have people who are "Moderators" but spend more time editing posts and banning people than they do trying to get someone on here to clarification.

I quite like the HSTR now actually. Once I focused on teams for it and got the mods right (after lots of effort) it was great to see the scores go in to the millions. Add to that my guild all did the same so we could actually beat the thing and now I find it enjoyable. Frustrating at times, sure, but to say that nobody likes doing it is a bit eccentric. I have mixed feelings about the various reworks/nerfs/adjustments they've made to certain toons/teams/strategies - the one with Treya was just blatantly unfair to everyone who didn't have her and allowed the top few players in a guild to dominate every raid, so I'm glad that got stopped. The STH one I wasn't so happy about as I felt that should have been picked up in testing before the raid was released. The fact is, nobody knows what they're going to do with zombie yet, but I agree that there should always be an incentive to gear up a toon. Let's just collectively calm our **** and see what happens rather than over the top reactions to things that haven't happened yet!

"shadow87654;c-1640624" wrote:
I can't be the only one not working on nightsisters because they might not be good anymore in phase 4

Build the p3 NS team, they use a strong zombie and do just as much damage as the p4 NS team with paper zombie.

Ever hear of this? "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" Law of the jungle online, love it, hate it, no choice but to deal with it.

I’m actually ok with Zombie being reworked.

It’s unfair for players who maxed her before the trick was found out and now can’t out beat paper zombies.

The goal is to max the gear to benefit. Not to keep a toon weaker.