What makes the AI so great?

Sorry that I don't see it, Rflong! I still greatly enjoy Sims 2, I just don't see its AI as being superior to the others.

Regarding the Sims memories being short. I kinda disagree. I had a couple of college students who for whatever reason hated one another. One male one female. Eventually they started fighting when they saw one another. After college one evening She went to a nightclub with a date who proposed. Her enemy showed up and started arguing with her.

These behaviors continued for a long time. The guy showed up at her house and kick over the trash can and steal the paper.

I’d say that’s a pretty long memory.

The thing is, you don't have to see it nor agree with my view. You asked and then disagreed which I see as rather rude. Don't ask if you don't want to try and understand but only want to disagree~ Is my opinion on it.

There is no improving on TS2, it's not going to be worked on. Giving opinions and wanting to improve TS4, that's great! Go for it- it's still being made, mores the pity.

TS4 said they were so great because they would follow a path on the lot if a sidewalk was put down... TS2 already does that with the sidewalk tiles. :mrgreen:

I apologize for acting rude. I've just not had good experiences with Sims 2 Sims a lot, and it did kinda cloud my judgement. There used to be a time where Sims 2 was my favorite Sims game, believe it or not!

It's not a big deal. I understand how things have changed and going back can be hard when you're used to newer games. I was thinking about making a little tutorial on making a kitchen... or setting one up with a breakfast nook and separate dining room. :)

I had lots of trouble with path finding in sims 4, way less than in sims 2.
As example, in my sims 4 legacy family, my heir (to go from his house, on the west, to the garden, in the north of his lot) would first go to the east , then go back to the west then cross the swimming pool (literally walking on the top of it) to reach the garden. Then, other family, have in their kitchen a dishwasher but would rather go to the upstairs' sink, not even a good one. I can't even make them sit together to eat --'
I think it mostly because of experience, in my experience sims' 2 AI is better than the one from sims 4. You don't have the same experience, so it's different for you.
Then, about memory, in ts4 my sims lost her mother, 2 days of crying and after it's sunshine and rainbow again. In ts2, sometime even after a long period of time, my sims were mourning the loss of his father.

I'm still going to disgree this isn't a building a house problem. If I build a house and the dining room is directly across from a bathroom counter, they are going to take the shortest path. However, a neat Sim will place the plate on a counter in the dining room. Build them as buffets with a lamp, flowers, and a space for a plate. Usually the neater Sim serving the food will put the plate on the space in the dining room.

Stairs, It's a fact Maxis broke their own rules about building. They use move objects on to squeeze stoves into a space (found in base game, tiny houses in the game) to make it fit. And if Sims are getting stuck on stairs it's because the rule is to have a space at top at both sides. *Like a T* But Maxis houses just squeezed those in to fit and no space on to the other side. Problem solved. ETA: Fact, Sims get stuck on the premade stairs more often than they ever do on the modular stairs, and another fact, Maxis didn't leave enough empty space at top and covered the floor at top (over the stairs) with tile or carptet/wood etc. It requires at least four or five empty floor spaces, over the top of stairs even if you can build a wall across the stair case. Don't, unless you have four or five empty floor tiles. Usually it requires five for smooth climbing/decending.

"jackjack_k;c-16536795" wrote:
The AI in the Sims 2 is bad by standards of The Sims 4.

The Sims 3 in some areas beats it, some areas is weaker. 4 is better overall, however, that's only after 4 years of updates improving it behind the scenes. The base game had some serious AI issues.

The Sims 2 Sims have bad pathfinding, they don't prioritise needs, it's almost impossible to give them a huge queue because they drop most of it for no reason. And worst of all, are bipolar to the extreme. People claim Sims 4 is bad, but in Sims 2, you could break up with someone, they would burst into tears, and next minute be all smiles and even laughing to themselves. The memory system in The Sims 2 was literally built to trigger random animations, but Sims themselves didn't have long term feelings. The memory system was an easier way to give the illusion that Sims remember things. They don't, it just triggers an animation every so often based on the event, and otherwise everything is normal.

Very rarely, if ever, do we see Sims 4 sims drop features from the queue unless it's caused by a glitch. Occasionally, they will waive their arms around, but only if an interaction isn't possible. And if something happens in The Sims 4, a Sim will react and keep hold of that feeling constantly for a generous amount of time, affecting everything they do.

But as I said, it took a few years for the AI to get where it was. 4 when it first came out was trash with AI.

But The Sims 2 for it's time had okay AI, but it's console counterparts had much better AI. They had proper emotions and feelings, great pathfinding, prioritised needs and kept to a decent schedule, but still left enough for the player to enjoy.

My Sims 4 game must be very glitched then, they constantly drop features from the queue. And the reason they’ll never wave their arm is because they clip through anything. Is tht the definition of good AI? I like it they mind about things/sims standing in their way. Sims in 4 will indeed stick to an emotion, as long as they don’t cross some aura that changes that. Is that good AI? It often doesn’t make any sense at all. And on top of that, when they have an emotion they’ll feel it towards everyone they meet. Unlike Sims 2 (and 3) where the emotion often is strictly limited towards a specific sim that caused the mood/emotion. That is the kind of AI I want and expect in this game.

"JoAnne65;c-16678559" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16536795" wrote:
The AI in the Sims 2 is bad by standards of The Sims 4.

The Sims 3 in some areas beats it, some areas is weaker. 4 is better overall, however, that's only after 4 years of updates improving it behind the scenes. The base game had some serious AI issues.

The Sims 2 Sims have bad pathfinding, they don't prioritise needs, it's almost impossible to give them a huge queue because they drop most of it for no reason. And worst of all, are bipolar to the extreme. People claim Sims 4 is bad, but in Sims 2, you could break up with someone, they would burst into tears, and next minute be all smiles and even laughing to themselves. The memory system in The Sims 2 was literally built to trigger random animations, but Sims themselves didn't have long term feelings. The memory system was an easier way to give the illusion that Sims remember things. They don't, it just triggers an animation every so often based on the event, and otherwise everything is normal.

Very rarely, if ever, do we see Sims 4 sims drop features from the queue unless it's caused by a glitch. Occasionally, they will waive their arms around, but only if an interaction isn't possible. And if something happens in The Sims 4, a Sim will react and keep hold of that feeling constantly for a generous amount of time, affecting everything they do.

But as I said, it took a few years for the AI to get where it was. 4 when it first came out was trash with AI.

But The Sims 2 for it's time had okay AI, but it's console counterparts had much better AI. They had proper emotions and feelings, great pathfinding, prioritised needs and kept to a decent schedule, but still left enough for the player to enjoy.

My Sims 4 game must be very glitched then, they constantly drop features from the queue. And the reason they’ll never wave their arm is because they clip through anything. Is tht the definition of good AI? I like it they mind about things/sims standing in their way. Sims in 4 will indeed stick to an emotion, as long as they don’t cross some aura that changes that. Is that good AI? It often doesn’t make any sense at all. And on top of that, when they have an emotion they’ll feel it towards everyone they meet. Unlike Sims 2 (and 3) where the emotion often is strictly limited towards a specific sim that caused the mood/emotion. That is the kind of AI I want and expect in this game.

Beaten to it! My sims drop things in the queue all the time. And it’s not performance related to my pc. I’ve spent the evening with my niece who played the sims on my PS4 Pro and she was getting frustrated because she told her sim to go to the bathroom, he cancelled it out to read a book (while his bladder was in the red). She then told him after that to give the toddler a bath, he picks up the toddler, walks to the bathroom, cancels the interaction and walks out to go and read a book. The sim isn’t a bookworm.

My game on pc does this constantly too.

And I’m sorry but if something happens a sim doesn’t hold that feeling for a generous amount of time. My sim witnessed her husband cheating, the angry moodlet appeared behind eight -yes eight very happy moodlets. The anger moodlet didn’t get to the front so she never actually felt an emotion as she was too happy because of nice decor, a good meal and a dog cuddle. Fact is sims 4 sims are as shallow as a paddling pool. They can’t even feel fear.

"SimFan298;c-16537815" wrote:
Also, I may be in the minority here, but I kinda dislike the original point based system. I grew up on it, but I much prefer the traits of The Sims 3, since I feel it makes Sims more unique in that one, despite acting sorta robotic. Sims 2 definitely has the "less robotic" thing over Sims 3, although they COULD stop staring at me and creeping me out :|

I like the point system, but I also like traits too. If there was a way to combine both, like personality points determine basic personality (shy v outgoing, mean vs nice etc), traits add quirks and interests (i.e. geeky, creative, etc), I'd prefer that. I find both systems as they are too limiting. TS3 handles personalities best, every sim feels different, and I honestly think TS4 handles it the worst. Every sim feels very similar, at least to me, regardless of traits.

As for the breaking-the-fourth-wall thing, there's a mod on MTS that stops sims staring directly at the camera. It doesn't bother me, personally, however.