Ever since I heard about the new Mystical Trait—I was so excited to use with my favourite trait Macabre. I just think for a dark fairy or dark spellcaster it be an great complimentary combo. But you "conflicting traits" blocked them. To me the affinity of and to the occults and the affinity of death is ideal for the darker occults, and sims.How is this not macabre compatible?How is this not mystical compatible?Edit: just noticed Disruptive can't be Macabre either, like wut?Edit, edit: I decided to fix/tweak the tune files in the meantime. If you are interested (the mod is here) I saw no issues when initially testing, as it is just file tuning, but be aware as modding and CC may have adverse effects to your game and I am just an amateur modder.Edit, edit, edit: Looks like this is also reddit discussion worthy, with confusion and disappointment to why these aren't compatible.Edit, edit, edit, edit: So I decided to look up the internal files to see if there is conflicting issues internally. The only obvious conflicting traits are Mystical vs. Disruptive. Even the fact that Macabre Tarot reads and Mystical Aura reads as wishes should be argument for compatibility.MACABREMYSTICALDISRUPTIVEMoodlets+ Ew. SUN.+ Vibe Killer+ Très Gothique+ The Witching Hour+ So It Goes+ Beginning is the End+ Boo Who?+ A Grim Presence Is Afoot...+ Haunting Memories+ Rainy Days Light Me Up+ Never Lost+ Strange Love+ Embrace the DarknessMoodlets+ Aurarific+ Destined+ In My Element+ Otherworldly CallingMoodlets+ Bundle of Nerves+ Need for Chaos+ Such a Rebel+ Why So GullibleInteractions+ Spread the Gloom+ Make Morbid Observation+ Ghastly Gavotte+ Cryptic Handshake (with other Macabre or Chased By Death)Interactions+ Consult with Cosmos+ Read Aura+ Grant Sacred BlessingInteractions+ Share Grand Delusion+ Create False Narrative+ Offer Help with Balance+ Disturb PlantsRelationship+ Faster Relationships with Ghosts. Also a 25% social boost when socializing with Ghosts.+ Slower Relationships with Cheerful, Bro, Active or Good Sims as long as they aren't also Creative, Gloomy, Goofball, Bookworm, Loner, Evil or Geek.Relationship+ Faster Relationships with Aliens, Fairies, Ghosts, Mermaids, Spellcasters, Vampires and Werewolves.RelationshipN/AWishes+ Attend Funeral+ Become Close with Dead+ Collect Tarot Card+ Explore the Crypts+ Give Tarot Reading+ Visit Well of SoulsWishes+ Good Friends with Fairy+ Grant Sacred Blessing+ Enchant Plants+ Read AuraWishes+ Prank a Fairy+ Share Grand Delusion+ Disrupt a Plant+ Create False Narrative+ Expose Fairy CouncilSkills+ Thanatology +25%Skills+ Apothecary +20%+ Herbalism +20%+ Medium +20%+ Wellness +20%Skills*+ Cooking +20%+ Handiness +20%+ Natural Living +20%Career+ Mortician +50%+ Reaper +50%Career+ Naturopathic +20%CareerN/ABalanceN/ABalance+ Improves BalanceBalance+ Reduces Balance*For some reason Disruptive does not improve the Mischief skill, probably an error/oversight.Edit Nov 7th, 2025: As mentioned in a comment Chased by Death should also be compatible with Mystical. It really doesn't make sense for these to be conflicting as well.Edit Feb 17th, 2026: In respect to Mysterious Ideals from R&L both Macabre and Mystical are under Mysterious, which again I believe adds validity to the request these are allowed to be compatible. We are short on selections compared to other Traits and Ideals, by making incompatible just makes it more frustrating.

I could describe myself as a "Macabre Mystic" in real life. Come on, EA: "gothic occultists" are so widely known to exist, we're a cliche! I'd say most if not all religions--mainstream and esoteric--harmonize mysticism and death, so why this mass erasure? I thought EA stood for representation?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see why they would conflict in the first place.

I think they are trying to use Mystical is "life focused" cause it is "nature" argument, but nature is destructive, dies and it's decay brings forth more life (which is more accurate). Making references to the cycle of "life" comes back to "death", which is how Macabre seems to be referenced in the game during Life & Death. And that is why I think Macabre works perfect with Mystical. In nature death brings life; life brings death—that is nature.

Completely agree. If a trait doesn't have a clear opposite, let it be flexible. The opposite of Macabre is not Mystical, they are more related than opposing. Opposites are things like, "sunny disposition", "fear of death", even cheerful or optimistic. But Mystical? Being drawn to death and the macabre to a degree of morbid fascination is absolutely mystical. Also, traits should always be considered for cross-pack play. Giving them random opposites that are only chosen to fit their parent EP is limiting and disappointing.

I know I relate to this combo very much, in Sims 3 Brooding was the closest trait to describe me and in Sims 4 Mystical/Macabre combo does best.

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HollownessDevour

Seasoned Ace

8 months ago

[LD][EbN] Please Make Mystical and Disruptive Compatible with Macabre

Ever since I heard about the new Mystical Trait—I was so excited to use with my favourite trait Macabre. I just think for a dark fairy or dark spellcaster it be an great complimentary combo. But you "conflicting traits" blocked them. To me the affinity of and to the occults and the affinity of death is ideal for the darker occults, and sims.

How is this not macabre compatible?How is this not mystical compatible?

Edit: just noticed Disruptive can't be Macabre either, like wut?

Edit, edit: I decided to fix/tweak the tune files in the meantime. If you are interested (the mod is here) I saw no issues when initially testing, as it is just file tuning, but be aware as modding and CC may have adverse effects to your game and I am just an amateur modder.

Edit, edit, edit: Looks like this is also reddit discussion worthy, with confusion and disappointment to why these aren't compatible.

Edit, edit, edit, edit: So I decided to look up the internal files to see if there is conflicting issues internally. The only obvious conflicting traits are Mystical vs. Disruptive. Even the fact that Macabre Tarot reads and Mystical Aura reads as wishes should be argument for compatibility.

MACABRE	MYSTICAL	DISRUPTIVE
Moodlets + Ew. SUN. + Vibe Killer + Très Gothique + The Witching Hour + So It Goes + Beginning is the End + Boo Who? + A Grim Presence Is Afoot... + Haunting Memories + Rainy Days Light Me Up + Never Lost + Strange Love + Embrace the Darkness	Moodlets + Aurarific + Destined + In My Element + Otherworldly Calling	Moodlets + Bundle of Nerves + Need for Chaos + Such a Rebel + Why So Gullible
Interactions + Spread the Gloom + Make Morbid Observation + Ghastly Gavotte + Cryptic Handshake (with other Macabre or Chased By Death)	Interactions + Consult with Cosmos + Read Aura + Grant Sacred Blessing	Interactions + Share Grand Delusion + Create False Narrative + Offer Help with Balance + Disturb Plants
Relationship + Faster Relationships with Ghosts. Also a 25% social boost when socializing with Ghosts. + Slower Relationships with Cheerful, Bro, Active or Good Sims as long as they aren't also Creative, Gloomy, Goofball, Bookworm, Loner, Evil or Geek.	Relationship + Faster Relationships with Aliens, Fairies, Ghosts, Mermaids, Spellcasters, Vampires and Werewolves.	Relationship N/A
Wishes + Attend Funeral + Become Close with Dead + Collect Tarot Card + Explore the Crypts + Give Tarot Reading + Visit Well of Souls	Wishes + Good Friends with Fairy + Grant Sacred Blessing + Enchant Plants + Read Aura	Wishes + Prank a Fairy + Share Grand Delusion + Disrupt a Plant + Create False Narrative + Expose Fairy Council
Skills + Thanatology +25%	Skills + Apothecary +20% + Herbalism +20% + Medium +20% + Wellness +20%	Skills* + Cooking +20% + Handiness +20% + Natural Living +20%
Career + Mortician +50% + Reaper +50%	Career + Naturopathic +20%	Career N/A
Balance N/A	Balance + Improves Balance	Balance + Reduces Balance

*For some reason Disruptive does not improve the Mischief skill, probably an error/oversight.

Edit Nov 7th, 2025: As mentioned in a comment Chased by Death should also be compatible with Mystical. It really doesn't make sense for these to be conflicting as well.

Edit Feb 17th, 2026: In respect to Mysterious Ideals from R&L both Macabre and Mystical are under Mysterious, which again I believe adds validity to the request these are allowed to be compatible. We are short on selections compared to other Traits and Ideals, by making incompatible just makes it more frustrating.

19 Replies

LiELF
Legend
8 months ago
Completely agree. If a trait doesn't have a clear opposite, let it be flexible. The opposite of Macabre is not Mystical, they are more related than opposing. Opposites are things like, "sunny disposition", "fear of death", even cheerful or optimistic. But Mystical? Being drawn to death and the macabre to a degree of morbid fascination is absolutely mystical.
Also, traits should always be considered for cross-pack play. Giving them random opposites that are only chosen to fit their parent EP is limiting and disappointing.
L00nyL0v3
New Vanguard
8 months ago
I dislike that as well; it's needlessly over-the-top and unhelpful. Macabre gets treated like Gloomy 2.0 in a lot of ways, with a smattering of High Maintenance, and as much as I like the trait, I think this is detrimental to it.
HollownessDevour
Seasoned Ace
8 months ago
My Macabre Sim is a collector, gemologist, alchemist/herbalist and soon to be apothecary skilled, so almost always outside (usually has the outdoorsy lifestyle) and in hot weather, I sort of dress her like Lydia Deetz in Beetlejuice with a large black sun hat (plus green tinted sunglasses) XD
Jooleeyuh
Seasoned Ace
8 months ago
Related: I don't care for the "ew, the sun" moodlet that comes with the Macabre trait, as if spooky types can't love the outdoors and nature or appreciate what is naturally, genuinely bright and colorful...
HollownessDevour
Seasoned Ace
8 months ago
I think they are trying to use Mystical is "life focused" cause it is "nature" argument, but nature is destructive, dies and it's decay brings forth more life (which is more accurate). Making references to the cycle of "life" comes back to "death", which is how Macabre seems to be referenced in the game during Life & Death. And that is why I think Macabre works perfect with Mystical. In nature death brings life; life brings death—that is nature.
nyctalime
Seasoned Novice
8 months ago
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't see why they would conflict in the first place.
chillybuilt
Seasoned Rookie
8 months ago
i definitely agree!
HollownessDevour
Seasoned Ace
8 months ago
I know I relate to this combo very much, in Sims 3 Brooding was the closest trait to describe me and in Sims 4 Mystical/Macabre combo does best.
Jooleeyuh
Seasoned Ace
8 months ago
I could describe myself as a "Macabre Mystic" in real life. Come on, EA: "gothic occultists" are so widely known to exist, we're a cliche! I'd say most if not all religions--mainstream and esoteric--harmonize mysticism and death, so why this mass erasure? I thought EA stood for representation?