Life of The Sims. I don't know what to do.

@PsychotpsThank you! As a long time simmer I am so disappointed with how EA just shells out another pack an not fixes what needs to be done..aka cats and dogs.....Island... Etc..... Etc... I will not buy again. Thank you!

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@Psychotps 

You should really keep questions to one per posting to not have answers confused. Anyway lets try.

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@Psychotps wrote:

Try gardening but the growth and evolution is messed up.

If you have seasons you should make sure that your plants are sheltered so they grow all year.

Try making dinner but that's all messed up. Ignore counters in the kitchen and cook in the bathroom, others ignore the food just made and cook their own...

Remove the counter in the bathroom. Counters are for the kitchen. If you must have one in the bathroom put something on it so it can not be used for preparing food.

Sim's wife is a maker, tried making Juices, but I can't because the juicer froze up two days ago.

Move the juicer indoors to use it during winter.

Tried using the fabricator to make things, but that's useless. It takes a minimum of 5 tries to craft anything. 1st attempt gets dunked, 2nd attempt gets dunked, third attempt gets sprayed, fourth attempt the device breaks, and the fifth works. Each time I lose bits and pieces so making a single item always takes hundreds and hundreds of B&P. Plus my store randomly empties out so it's nearly impossible to keep any good storage of them.

Level up in skill so this doesn't happen as often. Already at level 2 fabrication you will see a decrease. If you don't like being sprayed level up making candles. When a project fails the bits and pieces are refunded. Tip: have a woodworking table. Things you craft can be recycled and you get handiness skill. produce also can be recycled.

I tell them to eat food. It's cancelled. I tell them to eat food, they eat.

I tell them to go pee. It's cancelled. I tell them to pee. They do it.

I tell them to watch TV, it's cancelled. I tell them to watch TV, they do it.

I tell them to walk to another room, it's cancelled. I tell them to walk to another room, they do it.

I can't reproduce any of this and it is not a known issue. I recommend you take this up in a sepasrate posting so some troubleshooting can be done.

It's all the little things. Every time they enter a new room, EVERY SINGLE TIME, they pause for a split second and go "Ah HA!" and look up at the ceiling. I am SO SICK of them doing that!

This is caused by going from a poorly decorated room to one that has better decoration.

The bug with gardening plants not spawning on public lots has been a problem for YEARS. Don't they even care about that?

The plants are there just fine but you need to stay in the area long enough for them to grow and with seasons you must be there in the correct season as they are not sheltered. I recommend that you grow the plants you need on your own lot preferably sheltered.

New power generator options for Off The Grid? Broken.

Fabricator? Broken.

Juicer? Broken.

New home billing system? Broken.

The above things are all confirmed to be working. If you have problems understanding how they work feel free to ask in a new posting.

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Try gardening but the growth and evolution is messed up.

     If you have seasons you should make sure that your plants are sheltered so they grow all year.

          It was. Still have problems.

Try making dinner but that's all messed up. Ignore counters in the kitchen and cook in the bathroom, others ignore the food just made and cook their own...

     Remove the counter in the bathroom. Counters are for the kitchen. If you must have one in the bathroom put something on it so it can not be used for preparing food.

          So, counters are to never be put in bathrooms? And apparently you don't know much about how it works.  Cooking ignores the counter slots. I completely filled mine up and it still did it.

Sim's wife is a maker, tried making Juices, but I can't because the juicer froze up two days ago.

     Move the juicer indoors to use it during winter.

          I did. It was. Still broke.

Tried using the fabricator to make things, but that's useless. It takes a minimum of 5 tries to craft anything. 1st attempt gets dunked, 2nd attempt gets dunked, third attempt gets sprayed, fourth attempt the device breaks, and the fifth works. Each time I lose bits and pieces so making a single item always takes hundreds and hundreds of B&P. Plus my store randomly empties out so it's nearly impossible to keep any good storage of them.

     Level up in skill so this doesn't happen as often. Already at level 2 fabrication you will see a decrease. If you don't like being sprayed level up making candles. When a project fails the bits and pieces are refunded. Tip: have a woodworking table. Things you craft can be recycled and you get handiness skill. produce also can be recycled.

          At the time It was failing 4 out of 5 times, I was at LEVEL 7 fabrication. So, your "theory" is wrong. And the Bits are NOT refunded.I lost almost 400 bits THIS MORNING trying to make a single chair. So, are you saying it's NORMAL for the thing to fail or break 4 out of 5 times? Sounds like a BUG to me.

I tell them to eat food. It's cancelled. I tell them to eat food, they eat.

I tell them to go pee. It's cancelled. I tell them to pee. They do it.

I tell them to watch TV, it's cancelled. I tell them to watch TV, they do it.

I tell them to walk to another room, it's cancelled. I tell them to walk to another room, they do it.

     I can't reproduce any of this and it is not a known issue. I recommend you take this up in a sepasrate posting so some troubleshooting can be done.

          Doesn't mean it's not a bug. I've heard about lots more bugs from other users I couldn't replicate myself. I tried for almost a WEEK to replicate the bug with multiple plants reverting to "just planted", I couldn't reproduce it, yet MANY users still reported it. Are they lying? And I DID report it. YEARS AGO. It was eventually lost, buried, deleted, or forgotten over the years. Like MANY bugs reported by a lot of users. So, what? I'm supposed to REPOST my entire list of over 500 bugs what? Every month? Yea, everyone won't get tired of that quickly.

It's all the little things. Every time they enter a new room, EVERY SINGLE TIME, they pause for a split second and go "Ah HA!" and look up at the ceiling. I am SO SICK of them doing that!

     This is caused by going from a poorly decorated room to one that has better decoration.

          That would be good, if that ITSELF wasn't a known bug. The "Poorly decorated" thing is a current known bug created by ECO. Rooms no longer get anything better because ITS BROKEN. Believe me, I tried. Even tried Fobbing it with my own mod. Beautifully decorated simply doesn't work any more.

The bug with gardening plants not spawning on public lots has been a problem for YEARS. Don't they even care about that?

     The plants are there just fine but you need to stay in the area long enough for them to grow and with seasons you must be there in the correct season as they are not sheltered. I recommend that you grow the plants you need on your own lot preferably sheltered.

          I know. But some lots like the SCIENCE LAB are not available to "visit" at 5am when harvestables spawn.  So, if you want plants on a lot to spawn, you have to stay there for at least a day?  Sixam?  The science lab? (how?) Commercial lots? Parks? So, what? I'm SUPPOSED to go around to EVERY LOT and spend a day there each time if I want to pick a flower? BUG. And please, don't tell me how seasons works. I have over 3,000 hours in the Sims 4, over 10,000 across ALL sims games. I know how things work.

New power generator options for Off The Grid? Broken.

Fabricator? Broken.

Juicer? Broken.

New home billing system? Broken.

     The above things are all confirmed to be working. If you have problems understanding how they work feel free to ask in a new posting.

          So, all the Bug reports hundreds of users have been putting in and adding to are what? Fantasies? So, the Billing system isn't broken? The 103 responses on that bug report are what? All in their minds? Go over to those forums and post it that you've decided they're all wrong and its all in their minds, I dare ya.

I understand you're trying to help, but you're not. These are bugs. Trying to gloss over them, make excuses, and bury your head (and them) in the sand just to keep everyone happy just so the company can make more money at the expense of the players is wrong.

It's wrong.

@Psychotps 

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@Psychotps wrote:

Try gardening but the growth and evolution is messed up.

     If you have seasons you should make sure that your plants are sheltered so they grow all year.

          It was. Still have problems.

 

Please specify exactly what problem you see with growing sheltered plants. I assume that you water and tend them as needed.

     Remove the counter in the bathroom. Counters are for the kitchen. If you must have one in the bathroom put something on it so it can not be used for preparing food.

          So, counters are to never be put in bathrooms? And apparently you don't know much about how it works.  Cooking ignores the counter slots. I completely filled mine up and it still did it.

Do you have any kitchen counters in your own bathroom? I know of no one that has that. 

I put one item in the center of my counters when trying to cook I got the expected wave ( I can't do that ). If you are able to continue cooking anything that requires counter space. despite putting an item there it is likely caused by Mods or CC. To test move your Mods folder to the Desktop and delete localthumbcache.package. Then test the game.

     Move the juicer indoors to use it during winter.

          I did. It was. Still broke.

If it is broken then repair it. So far I have never seen the juicer break though. I was starting to believe that it could not break.

     Level up in skill so this doesn't happen as often. Already at level 2 fabrication you will see a decrease. If you don't like being sprayed level up making candles. When a project fails the bits and pieces are refunded. Tip: have a woodworking table. Things you craft can be recycled and you get handiness skill. produce also can be recycled.

          At the time It was failing 4 out of 5 times, I was at LEVEL 7 fabrication. So, your "theory" is wrong. And the Bits are NOT refunded.I lost almost 400 bits THIS MORNING trying to make a single chair. So, are you saying it's NORMAL for the thing to fail or break 4 out of 5 times? Sounds like a BUG to me.

I do not create theories I test stuff. While it breaks occasionally none of the other helpers here have been able to make it break that often especially not at level 7. This may be a mods issue so I suggest you test for that as described above.

     I can't reproduce any of this and it is not a known issue. I recommend you take this up in a separate posting so some troubleshooting can be done.

          Doesn't mean it's not a bug.

No, which is why I suggested you made a separate thread on this so it can be looked at and people can tell if they see the same.

I tried for almost a WEEK to replicate the bug with multiple plants reverting to "just planted", I couldn't reproduce it, yet MANY users still reported it. Are they lying?

No they are not lying. It was confirmed long ago and there is a bug report on it. Though it is not really a case of it reverting to just planted as it can still be interacted with as a mature plant and next harvest they are normal looking and can be harvested after which they again display as just planted. It seem to mostly happen with spliced plants. I have not personally seen it happen to plants that were not spliced.

     This is caused by going from a poorly decorated room to one that has better decoration.

          That would be good, if that ITSELF wasn't a known bug. The "Poorly decorated" thing is a current known bug created by ECO. Rooms no longer get anything better because ITS BROKEN. Believe me, I tried. Even tried Fobbing it with my own mod. Beautifully decorated simply doesn't work any more.

Since all my rooms are now nicely decorated (it helps having a level 10 painter) I only see this when they enter the house

          I know. But some lots like the SCIENCE LAB are not available to "visit" at 5am when harvestables spawn.  So, if you want plants on a lot to spawn, you have to stay there for at least a day?  Sixam?  The science lab? (how?) Commercial lots? Parks? So, what? I'm SUPPOSED to go around to EVERY LOT and spend a day there each time if I want to pick a flower? BUG. And please, don't tell me how seasons works. I have over 3,000 hours in the Sims 4, over 10,000 across ALL sims games. I know how things work.

The workaround as already mentioned is to grow the necessary plants at home. I can't say if this issue will ever be fixed as there is an easy workaround.

New power generator options for Off The Grid? Broken.

Fabricator? Broken.

Juicer? Broken.

New home billing system? Broken.

     The above things are all confirmed to be working. If you have problems understanding how they work feel free to ask in a new posting.

          So, all the Bug reports hundreds of users have been putting in and adding to are what? Fantasies? So, the Billing system isn't broken? The 103 responses on that bug report are what? All in their minds? Go over to those forums and post it that you've decided they're all wrong and its all in their minds, I dare ya.

I have seen no other mention of these things being broken but plenty of them being working

I saw a posting claiming that bills did not work (yours?) and another helper answered with photos that clearly showed that they worked. Here is my current bill

As you can easily see I get the rebates as I should and I do not currently produce enough power myself (Central heating is on).

I understand you're trying to help, but you're not. These are bugs. Trying to gloss over them, make excuses, and bury your head (and them) in the sand just to keep everyone happy just so the company can make more money at the expense of the players is wrong.

My only interest is helping people with their game recommend workarounds for known issues. And if no one can reproduce a reported issue with proper testing then recommend trouble shooting steps such as removing Mods and CC temporarily.

Some of what you have posted are bugs but the majority mentioned in this thread are not.

To properly test: Remove all Mods and CC delete localthumbcache.package and start a new game for testing.

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@Psychotps 

I can only consider things you have mentioned here and the fact is that a lot of it is not bugs but is confirmed working such as bills and other things you mentioned. That aside there are a lot of bugs still present in the game. I can document these so they hopefully gets fixed and in the meantime provide workarounds if possible. 

@jpkarlsen

You can deny it all you want, but I'm still trying to figure out what's broken, since NOONE else will.

I've figured out part of it. The power generation devices are definitely broken. Going through the code, I've discovered in certain circumstances, the devices like the ground wind turbine will actually DRAIN the power from your storage by almost 500% more than it should add to it.

I'm just not sure yet what those circumstances are. I made a mod to remove that unknown enormous "drain", and the power generators are phenomenally more stable. I also slightly increased the power generation so you won't need like 8-10 to "break even", now you only need 4-6.

I'll be looking at the broken fabricator and juicer next when I'm done testing the power generators.

It looks like the huge drain is only effecting the wind turbines and not the solar panels. Ground turbine has a random drain of 490%. Roof turbine's drain is around 200%.

I won't be fixing the broken billing system since another modder has ALREADY posted a fix for that.

@Psychotps 

From what I am seeing on this and other sites there are quite a few people trying to figure all of this out, so you should not feel like it is just you who is working on this. Some of these things have been difficult to reproduce. I've been tracking daily my energy bill for about 75 in-game days and I have not seen any unusual power drains or other unexplained fluctuations with the energy and water billing system. Five renewable energy sources has been the break-even number of devices for me all along. This is for a 60k Simoleon, medium-sized 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom house in Brindleton Bay with quite a few electrical devices (computer, TV, stereo, oven, refrigerator, all that kind of stuff). I'm not using any mods that affect energy bills.

This is a typical energy bill I will see with 5 renewable energy sources (two upgraded ground-mounted wind turbines, one upgraded ground solar panel, and two roof solar panels) and one upgraded dew collector for a water source. This day was partly cloudy with no wind. I see better numbers on sunny days or on windy days. It does drop in the negative at night but over-all the average has been right around 0. I had 3 days in a row with the same weather and the same day-time energy bill rate of +7.81 per day.

I have done a lot of green upgrades to the plumbing and electrical appliances and I am using many off-the-grid lights. These things made a large difference in my energy bill, which I would have to believe was the intent of the developers. The Eco footprint for this neighborhood did change to "green" about half-way through my testing so all of these upgrades appeared to have an impact on that as well. I wanted to grab a screen-shot for a sunny day, but well you know how the weather in BB is xD Here was the next change in weather, which was cloudy with more wind.

I'm not sure what would happen to a non-upgraded wind turbine if it suffered a lightning strike but perhaps this might have something to do with the large energy drain in the code? I can only guess on that for now, I've been waiting for it to happen in my game but so far it hasn't. At any rate I haven't been able to capture any large changes in the energy bill during my testing.

So yeah, I mean there are quite a few things with the NAPs that bug me, but so far I haven't been able to reproduce any problems with the energy, water, or rent billing systems.

@RandomBuzziness

As I said, I don't know what the circumstances are. But they're there. I built a house specifically to test it. No Geo Thermal or Well lot traits, No "green" or "industrial" walls, roofs, or floors, No bill surcharge items, no water generation walls or roofs, made sure there were no powered devices at all. All candles, no fridge, stove, radio, computer, etc. I waited a week before placing any power generation devices and kept checking and saw the "Rate of change" on the bills remained at a flat 0.0 the entire time.

After placing a ground turbine, I still watched the power go from +5 to -14, which should not be possible.

I know about the eco footprint modifiers. I found those too. If your lot is "green", there is a small bonus to power generation, conversely, if your lot is "industrial", there is a small reduction in your power generation on all power generation devices. But this is on the order of like 10-15% bonus or reduction. There are other modifiers, like if it's a windy day, turbines generate 20% more power. For solar panels, cloudy days are 20% lower, snow covered solar panels also have reduced power generation... etc.

This "special" 490% power drain has something to do with ECO, but I don't know what. I just know it would randomly kick in on my lots.  Heck, I can even show it to you in the code. The basic power generation on a normal (non-windy) day is +0.00357 per unit. Windy days are +0.00417 per unit, which is 14.4% higher. When commodity 233233 takes effect, the power generation is -0.0175 per unit, which is 490.2% and it's negative so it drains power.

Whatever it is, it's commodity #233233. If that occurs, you get a random 490% power drain with wind turbines. I originally thought it might be when they're broken, but it occurred when they weren't broken, and didn't when they were. The commodity isn't there for solar panels so I assume it's something specific to wind turbines? Either that or its some bug.

@Psychotps 

The numbers are calculated like this. What is currently produced versus what was produced earlier. Say windy gives plus 20 then if it becomes wind still (0) then the rate of change becomes -20. This will of course fluctuate over time so you will see both positive and negative numbers. If you have no power generators the rate will of course always be 0 as you discovered.