90 x 90 lots?

What exactly would you have in mind for a 90 x 90 lot? I'm just curious... I mean, 64 x 64 is plenty of room to build. Honestly, I always find it hard to even fill up a 64 x 64 lot. I generally play with 40 x 40 at most... and even that's pushing it sometimes. This goes for community and residential lots. I honestly don't understand the need for anything bigger than 64 x 64.

The number of items is what bogs down the game, not the size of the lot.

First issue we have is draw calls. For each “object” on the screen your CPU needs to make a draw call in order for your graphics card to render it. The more items are on the screen at once, the more draw calls are needed at once and thus more work for the CPU. Because TS4 uses the very outdated DX9 as the graphics API, draw calls have huge CPU overhead and can only be pushed on one CPU thread. This means it doesn’t matter if you have a 4 core, 8 core, or 16 core CPU, only one core can work on draw calls. Once there are enough items on the screen, everyone’s game will slow down (in the form of lower FPS), as processors with extremely fast single core speed (10GHz for instance) simply don’t exist.

Second issue is the simulation. The more functional objects (this includes objects that merely have slots, such as shelves) the longer it takes for the game to process simulation. TS4 not only has the standard full autonomy requests, but the multitasking system also constantly searches on the posture graph. The size of graph is proportional to the number of functional objects you have. More items = larger graph = longer search times = slower game (in the form of simulation lag, as opposed to lower FPS). And if you’re not aware, TS4’s simulation also only runs on one single CPU thread.

In short, can the game a handle a 90x90 park with a reasonable number of objects, a majority of which being purely decorative? Most likely yes. Can the game handle a 90x90 apartment complex with dozens of fully functional units? Absolutely not.

I know some people want bigger lots but I'm not sure they want lots that big lol I only find myself making 64x64 lots just parks to be honest, and sometimes attempt to have multiple houses in one lot.

It takes me more than a minute to 2 mins to load up even my largest 64x64 lot. Imagine how my computer would feel trying to load up a filled-to-the-brim 90x90 lot?

"jackjack_k;c-16317487" wrote:

You can combine lots in The Sims 4. For example, that combination you mentioned works perfectly fine in-game.

It’s only lots that require NPC’s that can’t be merged.

The Sims 4 and The Sims 3 seem identical to me interms of combining lots. Place a bar on a lot that isn’t a Late Night lot, and it won’t generate a bartender. Place the Java House stuff on a lot that isn’t a Java Hut and it won’t generate a Barista.

Place Gym equipment in a Library and Sims won’t use Gym equipment over books.

I get really lost when people say they want to be able to combine lots like in TS3. Because my experience with The Sims 3 is that it works like The Sims 4.

The Sims 2 however, had “Community Lots” and that’s it, so all Community Items worked on Community Lots and the NPC’s were coded with the items itself, not with the venues.

You can add a late night bar and workout equipment to other lots. They will work. The bars will generate a bartender, sims will interact with it.
And I thought you were right about the workout equipment, but I had to test it myself. I just stuck a treadmill in the library in Sunset Valley. A sim jumped on it and started running -- so it can happen. It's rather silly, though, to work out at a library.



And I don't think I'd build anything on a 90x90 lot in Sims 4. I'm not averse if they add some that big, though. I think that there are some incredible builders who would do wonders with that much space -- and I'd love to see what they make.

"@Idontrcall;c-16318633" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16317487" wrote:

You can combine lots in The Sims 4. For example, that combination you mentioned works perfectly fine in-game.

It’s only lots that require NPC’s that can’t be merged.

The Sims 4 and The Sims 3 seem identical to me interms of combining lots. Place a bar on a lot that isn’t a Late Night lot, and it won’t generate a bartender. Place the Java House stuff on a lot that isn’t a Java Hut and it won’t generate a Barista.

Place Gym equipment in a Library and Sims won’t use Gym equipment over books.

I get really lost when people say they want to be able to combine lots like in TS3. Because my experience with The Sims 3 is that it works like The Sims 4.

The Sims 2 however, had “Community Lots” and that’s it, so all Community Items worked on Community Lots and the NPC’s were coded with the items itself, not with the venues.

You can add a late night bar and workout equipment to other lots. They will work. The bars will generate a bartender, sims will interact with it.
And I thought you were right about the workout equipment, but I had to test it myself. I just stuck a treadmill in the library in Sunset Valley. A sim jumped on it and started running -- so it can happen. It's rather silly, though, to work out at a library.



And I don't think I'd build anything on a 90x90 lot in Sims 4. I'm not averse if they add some that big, though. I think that there are some incredible builders who would do wonders with that much space -- and I'd love to see what they make.

That's actually interesting to know! I had several of those hangout lots from TS store, and no bartenders came to those bars?

The ones that come by default with Store Worlds.

To date, I've only used a 64X64 lot twice - one was an amusement park (Sims3) called Libertyland. The other one was an insane asylum (Sims3) called Happy Meadows. I'm currently working on another asylum (Sims4) to be called Hillview Manor (still designing on paper). I personally just don't use large lots often enough to go knock on EA's door and ask for bigger ones.

You might - I don't know...

In away i wish that we could create our own worlds like in some of the older sims games but i understand about the graphics and stuff but it would just be so awesome if we could, plus bigger lots would make it more awesome as well :)

"jackjack_k;c-16319136" wrote:

"@Idontrcall;c-16318633" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16317487" wrote:

You can combine lots in The Sims 4. For example, that combination you mentioned works perfectly fine in-game.

It’s only lots that require NPC’s that can’t be merged.

The Sims 4 and The Sims 3 seem identical to me interms of combining lots. Place a bar on a lot that isn’t a Late Night lot, and it won’t generate a bartender. Place the Java House stuff on a lot that isn’t a Java Hut and it won’t generate a Barista.

Place Gym equipment in a Library and Sims won’t use Gym equipment over books.

I get really lost when people say they want to be able to combine lots like in TS3. Because my experience with The Sims 3 is that it works like The Sims 4.

The Sims 2 however, had “Community Lots” and that’s it, so all Community Items worked on Community Lots and the NPC’s were coded with the items itself, not with the venues.

You can add a late night bar and workout equipment to other lots. They will work. The bars will generate a bartender, sims will interact with it.
And I thought you were right about the workout equipment, but I had to test it myself. I just stuck a treadmill in the library in Sunset Valley. A sim jumped on it and started running -- so it can happen. It's rather silly, though, to work out at a library.



And I don't think I'd build anything on a 90x90 lot in Sims 4. I'm not averse if they add some that big, though. I think that there are some incredible builders who would do wonders with that much space -- and I'd love to see what they make.

That's actually interesting to know! I had several of those hangout lots from TS store, and no bartenders came to those bars?

The ones that come by default with Store Worlds.

if you want a library but also a working bar with a bar tender, you need to set the lot as a bar. sims will read the books anyway. but a bartender will turn up. But the art gallery in the city always has a bartender, I usually change that into a coffee shop, café, sims still wander about looking at the art and paint upstairs. I have found if you mark as the place that needs the NPC, anything else you add sims will still use.

Instead of debating about bigger lots and most here don't use the biggest ones we have unless its a park. and we already have loads of them in the game. I would like to use the smaller unused spaces. these really annoy me. some big enough for another house. I don't think all unused spaces should be used. but a few. I keep hoping that EA might surprise us and put a small park there, or open it for a lot. have you noticed that the new Pet town has no children's no load park, except for a ship next to the tiny house with no garden.