AI routing - lazy/unprioritized implementation?

Agreed, routing and clipping is really bad in this game. I can almost forgive them occasionally walking through each other, but one time I saw about 10 Sims dancing in the exact same spot in one of the night clubs. It looked quite ridiculous and honestly I shook my head and closed the game at that point.

I like the idea of them turning their body slightly as they passed each other, but this is TS4 we’re talking about ;)

This is probably in there because if you play older sims games you’ll see they got stuck all the time! I’m thankful every time they pass through each other, much better than the alternative. I always thought that was an improvement that came with TS4!

I hate this aswell

This was discussed by a guru years ago. Don’t remember which one, but they said the clipping was a side-effect if the “improved routing” of the game. What they meant was that Sims won’t get stuck, because they don’t register collisions in their path and will route through anything to get to the destination. It’s laziness for sure, but a lot of their laziness was sold to players as some sort of improvement.

It is kind of lame to see Sims phasing through other Sims, counters, stereos, dipping into walls, and such to get around other Sims, but I do still prefer it to what has happened in previous Sims games.

Sims 3 had that annoying "shuffle, side-step, stand there tapping their foot" thing while they waited for others to move out of the way.
Not to mention how some worlds had spots where Sims would literally get stuck. I found a townie once that was stuck behind the Bistro. Anytime I had my camera on him he was just constantly stomping his feet, throwing a routing tantrum. Sometimes I'd find some stuck in bushes at the central park. Resetsim is a great command.

Sims 2 had the way a 1-wide staircase could have 2 Sims using it at once if one was going up and the other was going down but if 2 Sims wanted to go the same way at once, one would walk up and the other would throw a routing failure tantrum while they waited for the other to finish going up. Some issues with doors as well, too. Basically needed multiple front doors if you had more than one Sim needing to leave/enter at the same time, unless you wanted one of them to decide the back door of the house was a good alternative.

Though unfortunately, it seems they aren't exactly... improving from where they currently are at with the Sims 4.
I guess it'll be some time before we can see Sims do "advanced" routing things, like sidling past tight quarters or bending over surfaces to reach something on the far side. Not to mention how Sulani seems to have a few problem points where walkbys can get stuck in certain neighborhoods.

I will say this, I have always hated "tantrums" by Sims.
They are one of the most annoying things ever. It's like, "Just figure it out, please!".

Some Sims from different iterations walk into a bar.

The Sims 1 fellow angles past it.
The Sims 2 fellow waves his arms around and shouts.
The Sims 3 fellow taps his foot and waits for the bar to move.
The Sims 4 fellow walks through it.

"ddd994;c-17139554" wrote:
This is probably in there because if you play older sims games you’ll see they got stuck all the time! I’m thankful every time they pass through each other, much better than the alternative. I always thought that was an improvement that came with TS4!

Thankful that the sims clip through each other? Instead of side stepping or turning to the side and "squeezing" through like someone would do in RL...

Never did I think I would read something like this ?

Sims clipping through each other is no better If devs went the route, pun unintented, forcing Sims to teleport a few meters away each other.
Either introduce "side stepping/squeezing through" like how people do irl or just create accurate object footprint and let players learn to design better Sims-route friendly builds.

"drake_mccarty;c-17139966" wrote:
This was discussed by a guru years ago. Don’t remember which one, but they said the clipping was a side-effect if the “improved routing” of the game. What they meant was that Sims won’t get stuck, because they don’t register collisions in their path and will route through anything to get to the destination. It’s laziness for sure, but a lot of their laziness was sold to players as some sort of improvement.

That kinda sounds like baby-basinets talk. "We didn't walk x to happen, so we limit/skipped it entirely". Forcing Sims to continue walking, even when they're blocked 100%, is a horrible way of solving the issue". If they had at least improved overall "who's turn is it to move without shuffling-dancing?" logical check gates, than I'm sure the routing would be more bearable and acceptable than from previous games.

I hate that Sims constantly clip through objects or other Sims.
It breaks the immersion if your Sim just walks through the coffee table all the time.

"DragonCat159;d-961997" wrote:
Does anyone else feel like its like that? Seems like nobody bother to implement actual AI routing collision, where Sims just phase and clip through one another. Or didn't have enough production time, but in a way they could have patched an improvement over the years. Idk.

Ideally, the way I see how they could eliminate in a way (well, reducing) routing tantrum issue, made Sims turn by their side and walk sideways to escape traffic jams.

How about sims using bathroom sinks over kitchen sinks? That has never been fixed.