Are Patreon/paid Exclusives Content Allowed In The Sims 4?

"MElleSims;c-17870361" wrote:

"BrittanyChick22;c-17870218" wrote:

"MElleSims;c-17869869" wrote:
The sense of entitlement in this community over these people's work is jaw-dropping.

so is the sense of entitlement for other people's money? I could understand If people were requesting their works, then I say yes- definitely charge for it sense someone is asking for you time and skills, but a lot of them go out their way to make content. No one asks them to do this during their free time- they choose to do it. If they are going to charge, then fine--but it definitely should be free after some time sense they are not affliciated with the company nor own the rights to this game.

They are not entitled to your money because the game still works whether or not you have that piece of content.

True. But it works bad. So bad i can't play without bug fixes. For me some modders are saving the game. Thankfullly the one's i need share their work for free. I'm thankfull because the company that sold me the game seems to not care or is just fixing the game so slowly that is almost embarassing...

"Hoverael;c-17870328" wrote:

"logion;c-17870038" wrote:
I don't think there is anything legally which allows people to make mods... Mods exist because Maxis allows it, which makes it difficult for them to enforce rules for people that lock their mods on Patreon. I'm pretty sure the rule they have which says that you have to make mods free after a time are so they can more easily allow modding and don't have to enforce the End User License Agreement.

You don't want EA's take on the matter, all that they can do is ban modding for the sims4. Maxis might be able to help you out, but I doubt it.

In my opinion, modding works best as a grey area (within limits), when you start to enforce rules and try to involve EULA then that's when things just go bad and no one wins. If people want to hide their content behind paywalls, then I think the only choice we really have is to go somewhere else, if no one pays for their content on patreon then they make no money.

Trouble is that there is no one else that do certain types of mods and in the same way, some of these modders know that and make sure their content can't be easily accessed because it's a one of a kind.

So in those instances, there is no "somewhere else" to go for modding needs.

"Jyotai;c-17870072" wrote:

"Hoverael;c-17869994" wrote:
The creator of is one that needs a wake up call. Their latest public release was
... to get his/her act together and put those updates out.

I suppose this is the flip side of the stance I note above. Because they're not supposed to be charging for their CC, it's not like we can have an expectation of them working on it unpaid.

There is no expectation they should be forcing us to pay them either or that they should be paid for giving of their own free time. Just so you know, there are modder teams out there for TS4 and other games that do these things gratis and under correct licences, do they have an expectation they should be paid for their work as well?

Nobody's forcing you to pay - there's thousands of other content for you out there. You don't need the content in your game for it to function.

Everybody should be compensated for their work one way or another. I agree that not releasing the content after a while is wrong but wanting to report a content creator for doing it when there are literally thousands more cc out there that a person could turn to is just ridiculous. for a lot of these people, utilizing their talent to make money is a serious help. i cannot personally afford any of the patreon exclusive stuff but i recognize that people are putting a serious amount of effort and just go on with my day.

"texxx78;c-17870364" wrote:

"MElleSims;c-17870361" wrote:

"BrittanyChick22;c-17870218" wrote:

"MElleSims;c-17869869" wrote:
The sense of entitlement in this community over these people's work is jaw-dropping.

so is the sense of entitlement for other people's money? I could understand If people were requesting their works, then I say yes- definitely charge for it sense someone is asking for you time and skills, but a lot of them go out their way to make content. No one asks them to do this during their free time- they choose to do it. If they are going to charge, then fine--but it definitely should be free after some time sense they are not affliciated with the company nor own the rights to this game.

They are not entitled to your money because the game still works whether or not you have that piece of content.

True. But it works bad. So bad i can't play without bug fixes. For me some modders are saving the game. Thankfullly the one's i need share their work for free. I'm thankfull because the company that sold me the game seems to not care or is just fixing the game so slowly that is almost embarassing...

It does work bad. But isn't it a bit ironic that the company who is releasing a bad game is getting paid, while the content creators and modders who fix it are expected to do it for free?

"Hoverael;c-17870328" wrote:

"logion;c-17870038" wrote:
I don't think there is anything legally which allows people to make mods... Mods exist because Maxis allows it, which makes it difficult for them to enforce rules for people that lock their mods on Patreon. I'm pretty sure the rule they have which says that you have to make mods free after a time are so they can more easily allow modding and don't have to enforce the End User License Agreement.

You don't want EA's take on the matter, all that they can do is ban modding for the sims4. Maxis might be able to help you out, but I doubt it.

In my opinion, modding works best as a grey area (within limits), when you start to enforce rules and try to involve EULA then that's when things just go bad and no one wins. If people want to hide their content behind paywalls, then I think the only choice we really have is to go somewhere else, if no one pays for their content on patreon then they make no money.

Trouble is that there is no one else that do certain types of mods and in the same way, some of these modders know that and make sure their content can't be easily accessed because it's a one of a kind.

So in those instances, there is no "somewhere else" to go for modding needs.

Yeah in those cases it's bad, but I don't think you should try to force a rule on someone who clearly doesn't care, like the creator of NPCC as you mentioned, I would recommend zero's or bienchens npc control mods instead.

"MElleSims;c-17870366" wrote:

"Hoverael;c-17870328" wrote:

"logion;c-17870038" wrote:
I don't think there is anything legally which allows people to make mods... Mods exist because Maxis allows it, which makes it difficult for them to enforce rules for people that lock their mods on Patreon. I'm pretty sure the rule they have which says that you have to make mods free after a time are so they can more easily allow modding and don't have to enforce the End User License Agreement.

You don't want EA's take on the matter, all that they can do is ban modding for the sims4. Maxis might be able to help you out, but I doubt it.

In my opinion, modding works best as a grey area (within limits), when you start to enforce rules and try to involve EULA then that's when things just go bad and no one wins. If people want to hide their content behind paywalls, then I think the only choice we really have is to go somewhere else, if no one pays for their content on patreon then they make no money.

Trouble is that there is no one else that do certain types of mods and in the same way, some of these modders know that and make sure their content can't be easily accessed because it's a one of a kind.

So in those instances, there is no "somewhere else" to go for modding needs.

"Jyotai;c-17870072" wrote:

"Hoverael;c-17869994" wrote:
The creator of is one that needs a wake up call. Their latest public release was
... to get his/her act together and put those updates out.

I suppose this is the flip side of the stance I note above. Because they're not supposed to be charging for their CC, it's not like we can have an expectation of them working on it unpaid.

There is no expectation they should be forcing us to pay them either or that they should be paid for giving of their own free time. Just so you know, there are modder teams out there for TS4 and other games that do these things gratis and under correct licences, do they have an expectation they should be paid for their work as well?

Nobody's forcing you to pay - there's thousands of other content for you out there. You don't need the content in your game for it to function.

Everybody should be compensated for their work one way or another. I agree that not releasing the content after a while is wrong but wanting to report a content creator for doing it when there are literally thousands more cc out there that a person could turn to is just ridiculous. for a lot of these people, utilizing their talent to make money is a serious help. i cannot personally afford any of the patreon exclusive stuff but i recognize that people are putting a serious amount of effort and just go on with my day.

I'm a cc addict and I agree with this. It's annoying how many cc makers these day are locking content. And obviously it's against the rules.
But it seems also equally petty to report a maker because you just HAD TO HAVE that blue dress so you're bitter about it, because you can find an very similar blue dress for free. And you don't NEED it either.
I've noticed that with all types of content there are so many free alternatives out there.

Not saying anyone shouldn't report if that's what they choose to do but EA can't do much about it except police content. And I personally don't want my world of content policed. That would just discourage creators and limit my cc even more. Then no one gets the blue dress.

You guys are missing the point. It's illegal to use all these free programs and EAs/Maxis assets and then charge for them. If you read the terms of services for most of these programs, you aren't supposed to sell anything you made using anything but a paid licensed copy. If you are using student edition or a free trial or the free program, it's illegal. EA has made rules to follow. These creators should follow them. Simple as that. They should be reported when they don't follow the rules or we end up with a bunch of creators just trying to make an easy buck. And don't tell me it's not easy, a lot of them just do conversions of other assets and that's like a 3 minute job. Even some of the high charging creators, I've seen them using models that are free on blender or other 3d program websites. It's ridiculous that any of you think they deserve money for doing conversions. Watch a YouTube video and you can literally learn in 5 minutes.

"Mstybl95;c-17870490" wrote:
You guys are missing the point. It's illegal to use all these free programs and EAs/Maxis assets and then charge for them. If you read the terms of services for most of these programs, you aren't supposed to sell anything you made using anything but a paid licensed copy. If you are using student edition or a free trial or the free program, it's illegal. EA has made rules to follow. These creators should follow them. Simple as that. They should be reported when they don't follow the rules or we end up with a bunch of creators just trying to make an easy buck. And don't tell me it's not easy, a lot of them just do conversions of other assets and that's like a 3 minute job. Even some of the high charging creators, I've seen them using models that are free on blender or other 3d program websites. It's ridiculous that any of you think they deserve money for doing conversions. Watch a YouTube video and you can literally learn in 5 minutes.

Then do it yourself perhaps? If it's easy I see even less of a problem.

It might be illegal, but so should be launching lackluster content, charging a ridiculous amount for it and then asking for modders to do all your work free of charge.

"MElleSims;c-17870508" wrote:

"Mstybl95;c-17870490" wrote:
You guys are missing the point. It's illegal to use all these free programs and EAs/Maxis assets and then charge for them. If you read the terms of services for most of these programs, you aren't supposed to sell anything you made using anything but a paid licensed copy. If you are using student edition or a free trial or the free program, it's illegal. EA has made rules to follow. These creators should follow them. Simple as that. They should be reported when they don't follow the rules or we end up with a bunch of creators just trying to make an easy buck. And don't tell me it's not easy, a lot of them just do conversions of other assets and that's like a 3 minute job. Even some of the high charging creators, I've seen them using models that are free on blender or other 3d program websites. It's ridiculous that any of you think they deserve money for doing conversions. Watch a YouTube video and you can literally learn in 5 minutes.

Then do it yourself perhaps? If it's easy I see even less of a problem.

Good thing I do.

"MElleSims;c-17870511" wrote:
It might be illegal, but so should be launching lackluster content, charging a ridiculous amount for it and then asking for modders to do all your work free of charge.

As far as I'm aware, the modders who fix bugs don't charge. It's the creators that make clothes and furniture that do.

"MElleSims;c-17870555" wrote:

"Mstybl95;c-17870551" wrote:

"MElleSims;c-17870508" wrote:

"Mstybl95;c-17870490" wrote:
You guys are missing the point. It's illegal to use all these free programs and EAs/Maxis assets and then charge for them. If you read the terms of services for most of these programs, you aren't supposed to sell anything you made using anything but a paid licensed copy. If you are using student edition or a free trial or the free program, it's illegal. EA has made rules to follow. These creators should follow them. Simple as that. They should be reported when they don't follow the rules or we end up with a bunch of creators just trying to make an easy buck. And don't tell me it's not easy, a lot of them just do conversions of other assets and that's like a 3 minute job. Even some of the high charging creators, I've seen them using models that are free on blender or other 3d program websites. It's ridiculous that any of you think they deserve money for doing conversions. Watch a YouTube video and you can literally learn in 5 minutes.

Then do it yourself perhaps? If it's easy I see even less of a problem.

Good thing I do.

"MElleSims;c-17870511" wrote:
It might be illegal, but so should be launching lackluster content, charging a ridiculous amount for it and then asking for modders to do all your work free of charge.

As far as I'm aware, the modders who fix bugs don't charge. It's the creators that make clothes and furniture that do.

Well then what's the problem? I don't disagree that it's illegal - it is. But I do think that it's illegal in the same way that downloading copyrighted music is illegal - ultimately harmless.if you make your own stuff and are satisfied with the quality, why go out of your way to report a modder/creator who charges?

I never said I did. But I definitely think they should be reported. And I don't download things illegally. Maybe I have a set of ethics that don't align with yours, but I actually pay for my content. And I do sub to some modders, even when I know their stuff is ultimately free. People have done it for me over the years and I repay it when I think it's deserved, too.