This is all hypothetical, and I'm not trying to upset people or coming down against free babies.ButWhen it comes to freeing the babies, I'm sure there are a variety of ideas as to how it would happen, but I sometimes get the impression that several people expect to open their game after the "free babies" patch and just *poof* all the object babies are now sim babies. And while I don't mod, I do understand coding concepts, and I'm not convinced that the code can do that. So what if it can't? What if they can't just poof the baby out of the bassinette?What "price" are you willing to "pay" for Free babies? Not in terms of money, but in terms of disruption to your saves to get them?What if they simply add a new life stage between newborn and toddler, and reduce the object baby stage to something like 6 sim hours on Normal life span? Are you willing to accept object babies for half a day (or less) to get 2-3 sim days (normal lifespan) with free babies?What if freeing the babies breaks saves? Are you willing to start over?What if freeing the babies just deletes all existing babies in your save?I personally think the first option is the most likely route for them to go, and I'd be okay with that. (I'd be even more okay if there was an option between aging up to toddler and freeing the baby so those who like object babies can keep them as such.) The only one I'd actually be upset about would be if they're just deleted. I start new saves all the time, so restarting if old saves are broken is no big deal for me. But that's me.

If they free the babies they could easily add a script to the game that replaces existing bassinet-tied-babies with the new, freed ones. Most of the what-ifs presented here apply just as much to literally any other new gameplay that they add to the game. Babies aren't at all unique or special that make those risks "greater".To put it another way, when a baby ages up, the game has absolutely no problem 'replacing it' with a toddler. All they'd need to do is add a script that does the same exact thing, but replaces it with the new baby rather than a toddler.The question isn't so much 'can" they do it, and more of "is it worth their time" for such a short duration part of a Sim's overall lifespan.

"DaWaterRat;d-998561" wrote:This is all hypothetical, and I'm not trying to upset people or coming down against free babies.ButWhen it comes to freeing the babies, I'm sure there are a variety of ideas as to how it would happen, but I sometimes get the impression that several people expect to open their game after the "free babies" patch and just *poof* all the object babies are now sim babies. And while I don't mod, I do understand coding concepts, and I'm not convinced that the code can do that. So what if it can't? What if they can't just poof the baby out of the bassinette?What "price" are you willing to "pay" for Free babies? Not in terms of money, but in terms of disruption to your saves to get them?What if they simply add a new life stage between newborn and toddler, and reduce the object baby stage to something like 6 sim hours on Normal life span? Are you willing to accept object babies for half a day (or less) to get 2-3 sim days (normal lifespan) with free babies?What if freeing the babies breaks saves? Are you willing to start over?What if freeing the babies just deletes all existing babies in your save?I personally think the first option is the most likely route for them to go, and I'd be okay with that. (I'd be even more okay if there was an option between aging up to toddler and freeing the baby so those who like object babies can keep them as such.) The only one I'd actually be upset about would be if they're just deleted. I start new saves all the time, so restarting if old saves are broken is no big deal for me. But that's me.I’m sure freeing the babies are not going to break saved toddler’s didn’t break saves so I don’t see babies being free breaking them but if they would I could careless about starting over and I’m sure many others that want babies would not care either.

"Stormkeep;c-18083490" wrote:If they free the babies they could easily add a script to the game that replaces existing bassinet-tied-babies with the new, freed ones. Most of the what-ifs presented here apply just as much to literally any other new gameplay that they add to the game. Babies aren't at all unique or special that make those risks "greater".The question isn't so much 'can" they do it, and more of "is it worth their time" for such a short duration part of a Sim's overall lifespan.My concern is about how Object babies and Sim Babies are different kinds of assets. One is an interactable object - one that CC creators have said is a pain to work with to make new ones - one is a sim, which has a different set of coding attached.I'm not saying these risks are greater with free babies, but they are things that I sometimes feel people who want free babies don't think about.

"Nicolea;c-18083491" wrote:I’m sure freeing the babies are not going to break saved toddler’s didn’t break saves so I don’t see babies being free breaking them but if they would I could careless about starting over and I’m sure many others that want babies would not care either. Toddlers added a new life stage. No existing save magically had toddlers added. (Iggy was added to a version of the Pancakes that was on the gallery, not dropped into people's saves.) This is replacing one type of asset in an active save with a different type of asset.

Those are some good points. I don't know how babies are working in the sims4, are they even a lifestage or are they just an object with relationships, like Lin-Z? Because if they are just objects with relationships, then they probably have to replace them if they want them to move around. I'm not sure how well that is going to work with existing saves.As for if it's worth their time for such a short lifespan...I feel that argument doesn't apply anymore based on the fact that they are happily adding obscure and niche things in droves to this game.

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JaggidEdje
3 years ago
If they free the babies they could easily add a script to the game that replaces existing bassinet-tied-babies with the new, freed ones. Most of the what-ifs presented here apply just as much to literally any other new gameplay that they add to the game. Babies aren't at all unique or special that make those risks "greater".

To put it another way, when a baby ages up, the game has absolutely no problem 'replacing it' with a toddler. All they'd need to do is add a script that does the same exact thing, but replaces it with the new baby rather than a toddler.

The question isn't so much 'can" they do it, and more of "is it worth their time" for such a short duration part of a Sim's overall lifespan.
Neosha123
3 years ago
"DaWaterRat;d-998561" wrote:
This is all hypothetical, and I'm not trying to upset people or coming down against free babies.

But

When it comes to freeing the babies, I'm sure there are a variety of ideas as to how it would happen, but I sometimes get the impression that several people expect to open their game after the "free babies" patch and just *poof* all the object babies are now sim babies. And while I don't mod, I do understand coding concepts, and I'm not convinced that the code can do that. So what if it can't? What if they can't just poof the baby out of the bassinette?

What "price" are you willing to "pay" for Free babies? Not in terms of money, but in terms of disruption to your saves to get them?

What if they simply add a new life stage between newborn and toddler, and reduce the object baby stage to something like 6 sim hours on Normal life span? Are you willing to accept object babies for half a day (or less) to get 2-3 sim days (normal lifespan) with free babies?

What if freeing the babies breaks saves? Are you willing to start over?

What if freeing the babies just deletes all existing babies in your save?

I personally think the first option is the most likely route for them to go, and I'd be okay with that. (I'd be even more okay if there was an option between aging up to toddler and freeing the baby so those who like object babies can keep them as such.) The only one I'd actually be upset about would be if they're just deleted. I start new saves all the time, so restarting if old saves are broken is no big deal for me. But that's me.

I’m sure freeing the babies are not going to break saved toddler’s didn’t break saves so I don’t see babies being free breaking them but if they would I could careless about starting over and I’m sure many others that want babies would not care either.
DaWaterRat
Seasoned Adventurer
3 years ago
"Stormkeep;c-18083490" wrote:
If they free the babies they could easily add a script to the game that replaces existing bassinet-tied-babies with the new, freed ones. Most of the what-ifs presented here apply just as much to literally any other new gameplay that they add to the game. Babies aren't at all unique or special that make those risks "greater".

The question isn't so much 'can" they do it, and more of "is it worth their time" for such a short duration part of a Sim's overall lifespan.

My concern is about how Object babies and Sim Babies are different kinds of assets. One is an interactable object - one that CC creators have said is a pain to work with to make new ones - one is a sim, which has a different set of coding attached.

I'm not saying these risks are greater with free babies, but they are things that I sometimes feel people who want free babies don't think about.
DaWaterRat
Seasoned Adventurer
3 years ago
"Nicolea;c-18083491" wrote:

I’m sure freeing the babies are not going to break saved toddler’s didn’t break saves so I don’t see babies being free breaking them but if they would I could careless about starting over and I’m sure many others that want babies would not care either.

Toddlers added a new life stage. No existing save magically had toddlers added. (Iggy was added to a version of the Pancakes that was on the gallery, not dropped into people's saves.) This is replacing one type of asset in an active save with a different type of asset.
logionX
Seasoned Vanguard
3 years ago
Those are some good points.

I don't know how babies are working in the sims4, are they even a lifestage or are they just an object with relationships, like Lin-Z?

Because if they are just objects with relationships, then they probably have to replace them if they want them to move around. I'm not sure how well that is going to work with existing saves.

As for if it's worth their time for such a short lifespan...I feel that argument doesn't apply anymore based on the fact that they are happily adding obscure and niche things in droves to this game.
JaggidEdje
3 years ago
"DaWaterRat;c-18083493" wrote:

My concern is about how Object babies and Sim Babies are different kinds of assets. One is an interactable object - one that CC creators have said is a pain to work with to make new ones - one is a sim, which has a different set of coding attached.

I'm not saying these risks are greater with free babies, but they are things that I sometimes feel people who want free babies don't think about.

If that was actually a valid concern, then how do you explain babies being replaced by toddlers when they age up right now?

There's literally no difference between replacing the current baby object with a toddler then there would be replacing it with a new baby lifestage sim. The coding would be as easy as making the new baby the transition after the baby object, instead of toddlers, and then forcing all of the old baby objects to "age up".
Neosha123
3 years ago
"DaWaterRat;c-18083495" wrote:
"Nicolea;c-18083491" wrote:

I’m sure freeing the babies are not going to break saved toddler’s didn’t break saves so I don’t see babies being free breaking them but if they would I could careless about starting over and I’m sure many others that want babies would not care either.

Toddlers added a new life stage. No existing save magically had toddlers added. (Iggy was added to a version of the Pancakes that was on the gallery, not dropped into people's saves.) This is replacing one type of asset in an active save with a different type of asset.

I get what you’re saying but as I stated earlier I don’t think it will break saves and if it does I don’t think many simmer especially the ones who really want babies would care!
JaggidEdje
3 years ago
@DaWaterRat, thanks to an typo I made once when setting pregnancy chance in MCCC in my game, I once had over 40 babies born at the same time...which means they aged up at the same time. The lag spike when they aged up was very minimal and I think it was more about all of the MCCC notifications that spammed me then the actual age up process.

Even so, programmers have tools at their disposal which mitigate that sort of thing when running tasks which will increase CPU load. It would be an easy matter to have the code count how many total babies would need to be changed, and then do them in smaller batches with a short delay between each batch.

In the grand scheme of all of the things going on in a Sims game, this would be a footnote of a footnote.

The old baby objects would cease to exist once this happened one time. There'd be no need to "keep them in" for future births.
annaliese39
New Spectator
3 years ago
I don't see why there needs to be a cost, but I want babies to be free from birth. If that means starting a new save or deleting object babies, then so be it.
SheriSim
Rising Adventurer
3 years ago
My main save has been re-saved many times since 2014, so I don’t want my main rotational save broken. However, I don’t care if the baby object disappears ( is deleted )…..I play my game with aging off most of the time and I can either age the babies up to toddler before the patch, or I can just let the baby disappear and have my families create a new baby. I also don’t care if the baby stays an object baby for a few hours and then turns into a real baby. But I don’t want my existing rotational save broken because I have put many many hours into my rotational save in the form of relationships and builds.. If toddlers didn’t break my save, and adding objects don’t break my save, I fail to see how deleting a baby would break my save, But, one reason I don’t use mods is because I certainly don’t know much about computers, even though I had to use basic on the first computer I owned. If the sims team can’t make babies real, without breaking saves, why don’t they come flat out an tell us, rather than letting us think it is a possibility? And by the way….. I am one of those who really, really wants real babies that we can do things with. Playing with aging off most of the time means my babies are around for a long time.