Don't Complain if You Buy The Pack

:D There's always the "Ignore" button to toggle on or off. Then all of the same mind can talk to one another in peace! ;)

"BlkBarbiegal;c-17777925" wrote:

"CelSims;c-17777838" wrote:
I feel like a distinction needs to be made between people who genuinely want a feature but find it's been done in an overpowering or too frequent way and those who just don't want the pack main feature in the first place. I mention it because I am really looking forward to haunted houses but at the same time I look back at things my sims have obsessed over and worry that the tuning may be off. IE too frequent happenings or too few. Ghost hands spawning is fun, but is it going to be none stop one an hour every single night? Or maybe hear a noise only once a week? What do you guys think would be a challenging yet still fun frequency for the occurrence we know about?

excellent question. The ghosts we currently have aren’t too invasive. Maybe there will be a nice balance with the new pack. Such as, one night all the creepy stuff happens, the next night just flickering lights, and the following night eerie silence. But at least there’s the brave rewards trait and protective candles.

The irony is, some people will enjoy seeing their Sims scared all the time. And others are serious players who will hate it.

I don't want my Sims dying, although I would appreciate seeing some blasted spellcasters in town.

Sims 4 is nerfed already and has been since it came out Imo, but I do see some people point in buying something in which the subject is the focus of the pack and want to be positive about it. However, any valid complaint is considered feedback just like positive comments. Adding toggles or options that does not nerf the game is an valid one for in previous versions there was options. I myself do not go crazy other SPs this version or previous versions.

It's been Neighbourhood Brawl in Strangerville and I didn't see a single person pick a single fight.

Then again, yes, Strangerville...

They could consider giving the player the control of supernatural spawn rate; High, low, medium, none. I think seasons could have done with this as well.

I agree. I am not pleased at all that gameplay I PAID for gets nerfed. To me, it is just plain wrong to take away something I paid for - give me a refund then. I understand some degree of tweaking because Sims 4 does have a tendency to overdo things a lot when a pack first comes out, like celebrities should not pull bartenders, DJs , cooks, wait staff , etc. from their jobs because it makes the venue rather unusable then, just like that Sharing is Caring NAP was wrecking venues, but vampires were nearly totally nerfed due to all the complaining- I miss vampire break-ins so much and all someone had to do was hang garlic if they did not want that. EA should just release a separate stuff pack alongside any occult packs so that people that buy only for the stuff can get their stuff and the rest of us can keep our occult gameplay.

my opinion; Scared is a separate free update because they fully expect to nerf the crap out of it. It's one thing that's clear, product guys like Ninja hear a complaint and they are nerf first and maybe talk compromise later. That's why Vampires haven't been the same since 2018, that's why we don't have Shrine bowing, and that's why Scared sims aren't going to be a thing long term. After the stink people made over vampires, I really don't think we'll ever see Burglars. Imagine the first time a sim freaks out over a thunderstorm and sits around screaming incoherently. Most of us will laugh but the few people it annoys are going to hammer away on twitter until that's taken out. I think the Paranormal pack is safe because it seems to be tied to a specific lot type. Hopefully Scared is built with tunability in mind and even if they have to tone it down, it'll still remain somewhat affective to keep haunted house sufficiently creepy to a sim.

"Loanet;c-17778214" wrote:

The irony is, some people will enjoy seeing their Sims scared all the time. And others are serious players who will hate it.

being a "serious" player has nothing to do with it imho, I am exited for the addition of scared but I also do NOT want my sims to be scared all the time...
but seeing how the so called "negative emotions" are right now in game (barely there and easily overridden by "positiv emotions"), I dont really see that happening.
Honestly my gameplay is hardly ever affected by the emotions of my sims, the only time I was actually annoyed by it was when sadness would just not stop in one of my households cause of the new sentiments....it kept going for days cause one sim was sad due to skiing badly (which is weird by itself imho) and the others became sad cuz that one sim was sad and so it went in circles over and over...trapped in a never ending cycle of sadness they were, without any good reason too.

So if anything I fear that scared will be (as it often happens in is game) badly implemented and/or balanced, where it makes little to no sense when it happens and/or the strength of the moodlet is too high for the thing that caused it.

"WolfNate;d-986078" wrote:
Can we please try to be civil and not go "I moved my sim in a haunted house and now the ghosts are wreaking havoc and I don't wanna deal with this plz newrf or get rid of em plz n ty." I hate when people buy a fantasy pack then whine about it not being realistic. If you want only the clothing and furniture then go find a mod with all of it added but not the supernatural mechanics. It's this behavior that makes us into fantasy elements feel EA doesn't put effort cuz the loudest part of fandom is everyone dissing fantasy elements. Now if you buy it expect the spectors to get in your face a lot

I think you only get the supernatural mechanics if you use the Haunted House lot type -- so you can easily just buy it for the B/B and ignore all the ghosties. I wish they'd add a rental option for haunted houses -- I think it would be fun to send a Sim to a haunted house on vacation.

"Kerrigan;c-17778295" wrote:
my opinion; Scared is a separate free update because they fully expect to nerf the ❤️❤️❤️❤️ out of it. It's one thing that's clear, product guys like Ninja hear a complaint and they are nerf first and maybe talk compromise later. That's why Vampires haven't been the same since 2018, that's why we don't have Shrine bowing, and that's why Scared sims aren't going to be a thing long term. After the stink people made over vampires, I really don't think we'll ever see Burglars. Imagine the first time a sim freaks out over a thunderstorm and sits around screaming incoherently. Most of us will laugh but the few people it annoys are going to hammer away on twitter until that's taken out. I think the Paranormal pack is safe because it seems to be tied to a specific lot type. Hopefully Scared is built with tunability in mind and even if they have to tone it down, it'll still remain somewhat affective to keep haunted house sufficiently creepy to a sim.

I just wanted to address this because you specifically named Ninja and I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'll tell you why:

So Vampires had come out and it was glorious with the break-ins. The Occult-loving community were celebrating on the forums so much that Ninja felt comfortable enough to interact with us and answer questions. Some time passed, non-Occult players bought the pack, and some of them decided they hated the break-ins. The dev team started to discuss if they should be tuned down. Ninja actually posted on the forums first, announcing that this was a possibility, and we Occult players all rose up and pushed back against this, explaining why we absolutely hated the idea and stated our arguments against it. Ninja then took our responses to the team and, in the end, he reported back that they had decided to leave it as it was. We rejoiced.

Over time, the Gurus became more active on Twitter, where players could more easily spam the devs with complaints. Meanwhile, in the feedback forum, another thread about Vampire break-ins turns up. Some of us continue to fight back. Then, the abominable happens, and some overly sensitive drama llama starts comparing Vampire break-ins to an icky, non-consensual act, taking it over-the-top into something "offensive". Cancel culture kicks in and suddenly it seems like no one is having proper break-ins anymore.

Now, I don't know if this last part definitely had a direct influence, I can only surmise, but I saw the complaint and the timing certainly seems to align. And considering how easily Maxis pulls anything even hinting at offense, my conclusion is that this is what drove the decision to nerf.

But as others have said, now that there is a proper interaction on doors and gates and no garlic is needed, I would very much like to see Vampire break-ins retuned to be as they were when the pack released. That's what we paid for, after all.