Don't Complain if You Buy The Pack

Funny, that you people blame other players for nerfing alien abductions. But Get to Work was never a pack about aliens! It's a pack about active careers, many people bought it because they wanted a doctor career, not aliens.

I also respect those players that buy a pack only because of BB objects. Why not? Who am I to judge them? I've bought the Generations EP for the Sims 3 only for imaginary friends and BB and was a bit annoyed because of some gameplay features. Things like adults punishing children automatically. I'm totally against punishing children or yelling at them, but I had to tolerate this automatic behavior. I wish I hadn't.

The same about any occult gameplay. I like supernatural things in my game. However, sometimes I want aliens. Sometimes I want to play with vampires. But I almost never want both of them at the same time. Such things must be optional, and "don't buy the pack!" is not the proper option.

I feel like the Sims 2 did a great job with stuff like aliens etc. Aliens were in the base game, yet everyone knew that in order to get abducted you had to have a high logic skill and then also use the telescope at night.
So if you didn't want to get abducted you could very well just avoid doing those things. It was easier to decide if your sim would get abducted or not. In the Sims 4 abductions were mostly random. I had a sim who was a photographer, had nothing to do with aliens or anything alien-related yet still got abducted one day.

"elanorbreton;c-17778967" wrote:

Yes, i play the science career a lot as it is one of my favourites... I expect I could find ways to make an abduction happen if I looked into it, but I am quite sad I never got a single one spontaneously.

When Get to Work first released, my fella got abducted twice in one night once, he also got abducted when he got home from the hospital from having his second alien baby, he got abducted constantly. Part of it was back then there were a lot more undercover aliens, and interacting with your own alien children counted as interacting with aliens ... which increased the chance you'd get abducted. To say nothing of the work goal of 'contact aliens,' which back then meant you were almost certainly gonna get abducted later that night. And it sure FELT like it was a 100% pregnancy rate, my dude got pregnant every single time, until there was no space left in his house.

So like, I get not wanting a feature nerfed. I think vampires, for example, got stupid-nerfed into the ground, and I hate it. I also dislike that NPC spellcasters are just regular sims that occasionally ride brooms. But alien abduction, upon its introduction, really was busted and really did need to be toned down. I'm willing to believe it got nerfed too hard (my guy still gets abducted from time to time, but usually I have to do something to make it a lot more likely, now, so I believe that it's nigh unseen amongst people who don't know how to tilt the scales), but sometimes new features really are tuned too high/weird and need an adjustment.

(I thought cold weather deaths were out of control, too, fwiw. Newcrest was a horrible field of NPC death upon release. Now I just occasionally have an NPC freezing to death in the winter, which is a lot better imo. I don't mind risks for my own sims, but I don't love when it's mowing through NPCs. NPCs have tiny little brains, they can't save themselves!)

"SimmerGeorge;c-17779086" wrote:
I feel like the Sims 2 did a great job with stuff like aliens etc. Aliens were in the base game, yet everyone knew that in order to get abducted you had to have a high logic skill and then also use the telescope at night.
So if you didn't want to get abducted you could very well just avoid doing those things. It was easier to decide if your sim would get abducted or not. In the Sims 4 abductions were mostly random. I had a sim who was a photographer, had nothing to do with aliens or anything alien-related yet still got abducted one day.

I totally agree. I think that the alien abductions in the Sims 2 are a good example of occult gameplay, the same for the vampires there. No "toggles" and no random chaos. Supernatural beings were somewhat like easter eggs, and I like it that way. If you wanted some supernatural things to happen, you made your sim do certain things like using a telescope or walking the streets of Downtown at night (to meet a vampire).

I know there are many players who prefer things to work like this. I have no idea why some people insist that being a "supernatural player" necessarily means wishing supernatural chaos to happen in your game. And they also blame anyone who thinks otherwise for buying a pack that contains at least a bit of supernatural stuff... :/

I don't mind when people complain about what they don't like in the game. What I do mind is that when these people complain it affects MY game. I buy every pack, even if I have no interest in it, like the pet stuff pack, but I don't complain about how I don't like it. I find a use for it and continue enjoying my game.
I remember back when vampires was first released, I read a comment from someone that hated that the vampires could come in her house whenever they wanted. She compared it to a violent home invasion and said it was inappropriate and all these other things. I saw nothing wrong with a vampire being a vampire but whatever. People are always going to find something they hate and be very loud about it. I just hope that my game doesn't suffer because a vampire did vampire things in someone else's game or a ghost went boo and it was too inappropriate.......

"Brinn;c-17778999" wrote:


I also respect those players that buy a pack only because of BB objects. Why not? Who am I to judge them? I've bought the Generations EP for the Sims 3 only for imaginary friends and BB and was a bit annoyed because of some gameplay features. Things like adults punishing children automatically. I'm totally against punishing children or yelling at them, but I had to tolerate this automatic behavior. I wish I hadn't.

The same about any occult gameplay. I like supernatural things in my game. However, sometimes I want aliens. Sometimes I want to play with vampires. But I almost never want both of them at the same time. Such things must be optional, and "don't buy the pack!" is not the proper option.

The problem isn't that people are buying a pack for BB or CAS only, that's not what people are salty about. It's that people are buying a pack for BB and CAS only that clearly revolves around occult gameplay, and THEN proceed to complain about occults ruining their game and making the devs nerf it because THEY'RE uncomfortable it without any regard to other people who bought the pack and actually WANTED that occult gameplay.

I couldn't care less if people buy a pack because they like the BB and CAS, as long as they don't complain to the devs and make them nerf the gameplay that I (and many others) actually wanted. Because then they're affecting MY gameplay and that's not okay.

"Brinn;c-17779098" wrote:


I totally agree. I think that the alien abductions in the Sims 2 are a good example of occult gameplay, the same for the vampires there. No "toggles" and no random chaos. Supernatural beings were somewhat like easter eggs, and I like it that way. If you wanted some supernatural things to happen, you made your sim do certain things like using a telescope or walking the streets of Downtown at night (to meet a vampire).

I know there are many players who prefer things to work like this. I have no idea why some people insist that being a "supernatural player" necessarily means wishing supernatural chaos to happen in your game. And they also blame anyone who thinks otherwise for buying a pack that contains at least a bit of supernatural stuff... :/

That was Sims 2 though and (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) those weren't packs fully dedicated to supernatural and occult life states, right?

The reason vampires and spellcasters have their own packs exclusively dedicated to them is so that they could be fully fleshed out. The whole point of Vampires and Realm of Magic is vampires and spellcasters respectively. But the problem is... people are buying these clearly occult dedicated packs (that they have virtually no interest in gameplay wise) and then making devs nerf the occult gameplay, leaving those of us who want the occults with something that's half-baked and watered down. They're treading on other people's games all because they couldn't skip out on a handful of BB or CAS items.

It's not about wanting supernatural chaos to happen necessarily, it's about having content we paid for nerfed nearly out of existence without any warning. I mean vampires don't even act like vampires and spellcasters only use their powers in the magic realm, so they're essentially just regular sims who have fangs or glowing eyes.

"bella_goth;c-17778535" wrote:
everybody is free to complain and give their feedback, but some people really be getting a pack for the items and complaining about the gameplay that comes in it. of course it's normal to give feedback if a feature is bad implemented or is buggy, however complaining about a feature you knew would be on the pack just cuz you wanted the purple sofa, completely ignoring the other players that did buy the pack for such features is what we're talking about here.

@MeowchaFrappe but toggles are not just only for the complainers, i was talking about choices for all the players. the game could use more toggles, like for example the one i mentioned about townies. yeah you guys are right people will keep complaining for everything. i still believe direct toggles are not a definitive solution but it's a better option than having gameplay directly nerfed.

Oh no, I totally get what you're saying and I defintely agree that toggles are better than having gameplay directly nerfed. But I only want toggles if the nerfing stops and the nerfing that already happened is reversed, otherwise I personally don't see the point. Like if the devs are still going to nerf gameplay for the complainers despite the introduction of more direct toggles, then I don't see what good it will do. But if they introduce toggles like you're talking about and are like "this is all you get. Either your use them or suck it up," then I'm all for giving them a try.

I just don't want any more of my gameplay nerfed if they don't work. That's my only concern.

"MeowchaFrappe;c-17779399" wrote:

"bella_goth;c-17778535" wrote:
everybody is free to complain and give their feedback, but some people really be getting a pack for the items and complaining about the gameplay that comes in it. of course it's normal to give feedback if a feature is bad implemented or is buggy, however complaining about a feature you knew would be on the pack just cuz you wanted the purple sofa, completely ignoring the other players that did buy the pack for such features is what we're talking about here.

@MeowchaFrappe but toggles are not just only for the complainers, i was talking about choices for all the players. the game could use more toggles, like for example the one i mentioned about townies. yeah you guys are right people will keep complaining for everything. i still believe direct toggles are not a definitive solution but it's a better option than having gameplay directly nerfed.

Oh no, I totally get what you're saying and I defintely agree that toggles are better than having gameplay directly nerfed. But I only want toggles if the nerfing stops and the nerfing that already happened is reversed, otherwise I personally don't see the point. Like if the devs are still going to nerf gameplay for the complainers despite the introduction of more direct toggles, then I don't see what good it will do. But if they introduce toggles like you're talking about and are like "this is all you get. Either your use them or suck it up," then I'm all for giving them a try.

I just don't want any more of my gameplay nerfed if they don't work. That's my only concern.

girl like that's obvious

For the most part Sims4 occults stay within a designated occult pack which is fine. I didnt like in previous iterations how you'd buy for example, Sims 2 Nightlife or Apartment Life. and Id see vampires and witches everywhere. I hate them and use mods or other means to not engage with them.

In TS3 as well im glad there were toggles because Id want some packs but dont want occults in my game. But I dont understand why theyd release a supernatural pack but still put occults in other packs. Thankful for the toggles.

Sims 4 should continue to put them in their retrospective packs where the life state or occult is the main feature (vampire, this one etc) so they dont get mixed in with realism playees. If you still buy it for CAS or BB thats on you. I dont like nerfing of any features. When they put occult features in normal packs they should make it so youd have to go out of your way to engage with it.

"StrawberryYogurt;c-17779531" wrote:
For the most part Sims4 occults stay within a designated occult pack which is fine. I didnt like in previous iterations how you'd buy for example, Sims 2 Nightlife or Apartment Life. and Id see vampires and witches everywhere. I hate them and use mods or other means to not engage with them.

In TS3 as well im glad there were toggles because Id want some packs but dont want occults in my game. But I dont understand why theyd release a supernatural pack but still put occults in other packs. Thankful for the toggles.

Sims 4 should continue to put them in their retrospective packs where the life state or occult is the main feature (vampire, this one etc) so they dont get mixed in with realism playees. If you still buy it for CAS or BB thats on you. I dont like nerfing of any features. When they put occult features in normal packs they should make it so youd have to go out of your way to engage with it.

I do pretty much agree with this, when an Occult comes in a regular pack, like an EP. I think Mermaids were done well, sort of Sims 2 style, where they keep hidden unless you seek them out. They're still around, but hidden in plain sight, and the player's actions trigger them to show themselves more.

I also prefer dedicating whole packs to Occults in order to get a full, in-depth play experience. I just wish the devs would consider an occasional EP for us once in a while.

I don't mind if they come in 'normal' packs I mean in 2 witchcraft was the best adaption and it came in apartments set but it wasn't intrusive I felt