*I will start by saying I do not condone any type of attacks on Gurus, YouTubers, or other simmers, however I have noticed that many who are defending EA/Maxis/Gurus are saying that the community is entitled for having genuine complaints with Sims 4.I did the math and if a person is paying full price for every currently released pack (not including Star Wars) they would pay $729.65. For Sims 4 there for a total of the base game and 34 almost 35 packs.Sims 3 on the other hand has 20 packs (expansion and stuff packs) I do not remember the original prices and my Origin account is charging $19.99 for all of them so please share the total cost if you know it :) I believe if someone is putting all of this money into the game they have the right to speak their mind (as respectfully as possible). The fact that people are saying negative feedback shouldn't be shared is weird to me. I should be able to say "I'm disappointed in Sims 4" or "They should fix the problems/add what the community wants" without someone saying "if you don't like it don't buy it". I believe you learn more from negative feedback and to see those sharing it being told to basically shut up is crazy to me. I also don't remember the Sims 3 community being this toxic towards each other and EA. Then again other than lag issues I believe the Sims 3 team did a good job in addressing fan concerns and providing the community with a game that was enjoyable. I tend to like to know the thought process behind things, so I would love to hear the thoughts on why people are frustrated with the negative feedback being shared. To those who have called out others for sharing negative feedback, why did you do it/were against what they had to say? I would also like to know if someone has shared feedback that is more attacking why did you share your thoughts in this way? Hopefully we can keep things respectful and make this about learning about the "opposite" side in a sense.

A noble goal. Don't forget to take into account all the store stuff for TS3 - I've spent too much money there.I'm actually playing TS3 these days, and it does feel very rough around the edges when one has become used to TS4. In my opinion, EA charges way too much for it nowadays considering its age and considerable amount of script errors. I use NRaas mods to optimize its playability, but still. It's unstable compared to TS4. I have all packs for it except the Katy Perry one. I wasn't playing when it released and it was later made unavailable. Hopefully, that doesn't happen with any TS4 content. It's a completionist's nightmare.A lot of things should have and could have been fixed in TS3 before it was left. The same thing is happening with TS4. I don't know why fixing is so hard to do. I do know that my husband, who is developing software for welding machines, and his team can take several days sometimes to figure out and fix a bug in their program. When that happens he comes home very exhausted and frustrated. It's probably not much different when working with a game like TS4 which has a lot more programming going on than a welding machine. At some point, it's probably easier to leave some bugs alone (give up, essentially) or try to find an acceptable workaround while adding new content.I'm not saying this is an amazing strategy, because it's not. But I think it's sometimes the only worthwhile choice. If there is one thing I wish for this franchise, it's that bugfixing becomes more managable and is given higher priority. Something is a little messed up with the current time schedule, though. Three new packs are fired at us rapidly as if in a hurry. Maybe the next Sims game is closer around the corner than we realize. I don't know if I'll ever get into the next game in the series, but at least I can play TS4 without mods as it is. Even if it is a bit boring at times.Disclaimer: I would like to emphasize that I'm not out to dismiss anyone's feelings :| If it has happened anyway, I genuinely apologize. (Maybe I should put it in my signature)

I think the biggest problem is people are just sick and tired of the game being bugged. It's sad because you get so excited for new content and when you add it or they add a patch for it, many things break, that you would think would have no reason to break.And then people report the problems over and over and over, the same thing is happening in their game too, but nothing gets resolved. The least they could do on bug fixes is BE MORE TRANSPARENT! Tell people that they are trying to find a solution, it's just taking them awhile to figure out where the kink is in the pipeline that is causing the issue for seemingly unrelated bugs. So in their eyes, they are not listening, the only worry about money and not fixing the game, etc etc.So, some people have paid literally hundreds of dollars in content and their game is unusable or no longer functions the way that particular pack was supposed to. They need better QA protocols. Why not let some people in the community be your testers prior to release? Give them a copy of the pack for a limited number of hours to play then disable it to let them play thru it and then report back?

Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else. If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else. If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them? Sometime there are only 3 of them at most at any given page of General Sims 4 Discussion and the rest are normal discussion topic, unless you knew very well that it's a complain thread and yet you still click on it.

I agree with @Nate_Whiplash1 They combine a lot into one thread that is positive. In another thread we were discussing positive threads being plowed over with negative comments and then they get closed. If a thread is named anything positive it seems to attract haters and this brings it to a close. Some of the stuff in the general discussion area should actually be moved to feedback or other areas. Anything about EA or Maxis should be in feedback. I have a hard time understanding why someone would intentionally interject or derail a positive or upbeat thread just to close it down. Users have admitted to doing this because they have a right to free speech. So do the users that want positive or upbeat threads. I feel that there in no where to have a positive thread that's not about cake or "who should my Sim marry" kind of threads.

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charmed4life4
5 years ago
"AnnLee87;c-17642591" wrote:
I agree with @Nate_Whiplash1

They combine a lot into one thread that is positive. In another thread we were discussing positive threads being plowed over with negative comments and then they get closed. If a thread is named anything positive it seems to attract haters and this brings it to a close. Some of the stuff in the general discussion area should actually be moved to feedback or other areas. Anything about EA or Maxis should be in feedback.

I have a hard time understanding why someone would intentionally interject or derail a positive or upbeat thread just to close it down. Users have admitted to doing this because they have a right to free speech. So do the users that want positive or upbeat threads. I feel that there in no where to have a positive thread that's not about cake or "who should my Sim marry" kind of threads.

I will say if I'm feeling negative about something I stay out of the positive threads. For example I have not gone into a single Star Wars positivity thread because it isn't my place to rain on their parade. I'll rain on the Gurus' parade all day long though as they should have had better quality control, with a response like this that game should never have hit the release schedule, it is clear they didn't even speak with/poll a small portion of the community on this one.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:
Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else.

If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

@Nate_Whiplash1 Well there might be a reason why they exist. Don't you think?
NateWhiplash
Seasoned Hotshot
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17646724" wrote:
"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:
Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else.

If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

@Nate_Whiplash1 Well there might be a reason why they exist. Don't you think?

The reasons are immaterial, what is important is that 1) there are too many of these threads, and they clog up the board (they need to be condensed) and 2) as someone else on the forums already pointed out, there is a place for these threads (the feedback forums)
Scobren
5 years ago
"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17646744" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17646724" wrote:
"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:
Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else.

If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

@Nate_Whiplash1 Well there might be a reason why they exist. Don't you think?

The reasons are immaterial, what is important is that 1) there are too many of these threads, and they clog up the board (they need to be condensed) and 2) as someone else on the forums already pointed out, there is a place for these threads (the feedback forums)

That is why we have mods to reduce the copycat threads. I am ok with people posting in general discussion. We do need a disagree button back because it did help a lot with the clogging issues. Forums just need to balance out both discussions and buttons out evenly. That way people don't get jealous. I think forums reflect a lot of the same issues as the game which is the narcissism approach which society faces too. People are so intent on accusing each other to be wrong they forget what having real discussions are like and covid isn't helping either with isolating people from real human interactions so things like social skills get rusty. So thankful to have work so I still get that face to face interactions even with masks on. Helps a lot to not stay out of contacts with friends too with video chatting.
Bluegayle
Hero
5 years ago
@Scobre Yes. Bring back the disagree button and in my opinion get rid of those silly points and/or even post counts. I swear some simmers constantly post etc just to bring that number up high. Like its some kind of status symbol.
And you are right about covid. Lately my best friend has been my mail carrier and once a week the trash guy. :| Hopefully I will get to connect more with family soon.
Scobren
5 years ago
"Bluegayle;c-17647138" wrote:
@Scobre Yes. Bring back the disagree button and in my opinion get rid of those silly points and/or even post counts. I swear some simmers constantly post etc just to bring that number up high. Like its some kind of status symbol.
And you are right about covid. Lately my best friend has been my mail carrier and once a week the trash guy. :| Hopefully I will get to connect more with family soon.

Yeah I hate that leaderboard too. All it has done is cause problems. Awe that is sweet you are making good friends. I love the security guard and janitor at my work and always make sure to thank them for the hard work they do and keeping my coworkers safe. I am a state away from my brother now and we have been able to connect every two weeks. My nephew was just born this year and I haven't met him face to face. Thankfully because of world conditions are getting worst they will be moving closer soon. I hope you connect soon too with your family even if virtually. That human connection does help with moods a lot. My gym went bankrupt with covid, so been working out at home with Just Dance. I love doing home spa days too. Just makes a difference taking care of yourself I think. Stay safe too. My aunt is currently fighting covid, so was able to send a care package to her to help her get better even with the long distance.
simgirl1010
Hero
5 years ago
Hope your aunt is better soon @Scobre ?
OEII1001
New Spectator
5 years ago
"Bluegayle;c-17647138" wrote:
@Scobre Yes. Bring back the disagree button and in my opinion get rid of those silly points and/or even post counts. I swear some simmers constantly post etc just to bring that number up high. Like its some kind of status symbol.
And you are right about covid. Lately my best friend has been my mail carrier and once a week the trash guy. :| Hopefully I will get to connect more with family soon.

I'd prefer to get rid of post voting entirely. Yes, I do enjoy giving people an upvote for good content, and yes it does feel good when other do the same to me, but in terms of what we're talking about in general here with discourse and negativity I think it contributes to a lot of heated factionalism. Person Y says "your favorite version of The Sims is lame" and people give them upvotes. So then Person Z counters with "no, your favorite version of The Sims is lame", resulting in other people giving them upvotes. And the battle is well and truly joined with the upvotes emboldening each side.

That's not just a "here" problem; it's an everywhere problem. It has been my experience that post voting has always been more harmful than it is helpful. Giving an actual downvote only makes that worse, where the sides upvote one person and downvote the other. What I would like to see, and what I think really helps keep things respectful, is an increase in the character requirement per post. Force people to explain their thoughts, and remove the ability for users to make remarks of the short and quippy "no, you're wrong and bad" variety.
Scobren
5 years ago
"OEII1001;c-17647238" wrote:
"Bluegayle;c-17647138" wrote:
@Scobre Yes. Bring back the disagree button and in my opinion get rid of those silly points and/or even post counts. I swear some simmers constantly post etc just to bring that number up high. Like its some kind of status symbol.
And you are right about covid. Lately my best friend has been my mail carrier and once a week the trash guy. :| Hopefully I will get to connect more with family soon.

I'd prefer to get rid of post voting entirely. Yes, I do enjoy giving people an upvote for good content, and yes it does feel good when other do the same to me, but in terms of what we're talking about in general here with discourse and negativity I think it contributes to a lot of heated factionalism. Person Y says "your favorite version of The Sims is lame" and people give them upvotes. So then Person Z counters with "no, your favorite version of The Sims is lame", resulting in other people giving them upvotes. And the battle is well and truly joined with the upvotes emboldening each side.

That's not just a "here" problem; it's an everywhere problem. It has been my experience that post voting has always been more harmful than it is helpful. Giving an actual downvote only makes that worse, where the sides upvote one person and downvote the other. What I would like to see, and what I think really helps keep things respectful, is an increase in the character requirement per post. Force people to explain their thoughts, and remove the ability for users to make remarks of the short and quippy "no, you're wrong and bad" variety.

That would work too. Thank you @simgirl1010. Probably why Facebook can annoy me too with their point system with the likes, loves, etc.
NoNameGirl20
5 years ago
* This Forum is unorganised. All of this Feedback belongs in the Feedback Section. Same threads should be merged together. Share your Picture, share your Story should be in the creative corner.

* Dont like it dont buy it mentality... I have my fair share of complaints... Sometimes you need to vent. But the core is the core after 6years and if you dont like that, well then maybe its time to leave. Yes i know Maxis likes to play with the hope card, everything can be possible... but lets be realistic here and see what their priorities are in the sims4.
I understand critisicm... but its like... you let your frustrations out and if you are still dissatisfied... you let go and move on? Thats what it really takes to show no support.
Some of these folks didnt play the sims4 for years and are still complaining????. I know Sims and the franchise is an emotionally topic but common, some people seem to have a toxic relationship with a video game, when a video game should just... entertain...