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5 years ago

"We Aim To Be Inclusive"

For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.
The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.
This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.
It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.
If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4.
To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings.
I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.

I also want to add onto this thread by saying that two cultures with historic backlash can indeed get along.
As an example, take how popular the Marvel characters Hulkling and Wiccan are in Brazil.
(They were boys who came from Christian and Jewish backgrounds, and are now a happy gay couple.)
The Sims 4 team only hinders the modern progression of religion by adhering to Twitter's cancel culture demands for justice to which no currently surviving family lineage has witnessed. (Elders generally do not live longer than 60-90 years.)
Furthermore, such actions of removal only enforces the cancel culture mob's perception that such features were intended to offend.
A perception which will help neither EA nor the common player base. (Regardless of practicing Shintoism or Buddhism.)

(CM: Double post merged together with original post)
  • @StrawberryYogurt Oh, this is a Saturday Night Live skit- Asian American Doll, probably got taken down by a false copyright claim.
    You might have to Google where to (legally) watch the episode.
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    "StrawberryYogurt;c-17729364" wrote:
    "SimmerGeorge;c-17729063" wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59tAqTtVpXg

    If EA keeps getting so much hate for being "insensitive", this is what their future products are going to end up like :lol: :lol:
    I saw this skit and directly thought of the Sims 4 race controversies :lol:


    This video is blocked in my country, where is it from?


    America/Saturday Night Live.
  • "Sigzy05;c-17730547" wrote:
    "Darkwingz;d-983684" wrote:
    For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.
    The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.
    This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.
    It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.
    If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4.
    To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings.
    I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.


    When I heard they removed that feature, I was turned off from buying the pack even more. There's no reason whatsoever for the removal of the bowing interaction in the shrine, especially if bowing wasn't even going to be autonomous. Instead of giving their players options in a lifesim, EAxis simply chooses to remove things to appease to the Karen mob and as long as they keep doing ❤️❤️❤️❤️ like this, I keep on not buying. What EAxis did was basically side with one culture over the other, when they could have just kept the interaction for the players to use it if they felt like it. And if this world was strictly Korean inspired, I'd understand it, but it's not, which is even more of a reason to not remove it in favor of another culture.


    It’s a game and of course they are going to take it out. Out of respect for the people who live there. Though that being said they can do whatever they want to the game and EA and Nintendo aren’t the same company. EA wants the game to be friendly with whoever you want to be I don’t see why bowing makes you not want the game they bow when they greet each other. They have to make Animal Crossing New Horizon diverse for all holidays because it’s a game that is revolving around the real world time and holidays. That would make no sense to cut stuff out because we all live in different parts of the world they need to reflect that.
  • "SimmerGeorge;c-17732961" wrote:
    "Barbie430;c-17732631" wrote:
    "keekee53;c-17732571" wrote:
    Boy do I miss the good ole days when Sims was about Sims. Yes it simulated life but there was still a Sim quirkiness about the game. Now we have to have the right skins, the right pronouns, the right hair, the right shrine worship...

    I have to admit, that I am getting tired of it. As an African American, I would like better skin tones but at this point I wish they would just make a good game. You know when I played sims 1 and 2, I was having a grand time not thinking about skins, hair, pronouns etc. Yes I had cc for skin and hair which was good enough for me. I wasn't focused on it so much because I was actually having a good time PLAYING. Now that we have so many people in CAS and never playing the game, there is so much focus on stuff that quite frankly would not be as important if the game was more fun. You hear that EA. Forget the inclusive business and make the game more fun.


    As an African American, I wholeheartedly disagree. Just because you were okay with the skins and hair on offer back in “the good ole days” doesn’t mean everyone was. I surely wasn’t. There’s been an ongoing campaign for EA to fix skin tones for years. People like to make sims that look like them and for a while many couldn’t do that.


    @Barbie430 But I do want to point out that a lot of people over-reacted with that. I do understand wanting to have skins that represent real-life but you also have to take into consideration the technological limitations that come with this. Neither the light nor darker skintones looks like real life skin but people are still complaining over the smallest details on the darker skin tones. To be fair, the white skintones don't look like real biological skin either and that cannot be achieved in a 2014 game made to run on low end computers.

    I understand wanting to have more realistic skincolors in the Sims 4 and I support that but now there are people going like "oh do you see that tiny spot on the skin that looks kind of weird? That's not realistic! EA is insensitive, sue them!".


    Did you know that actual photo realistic skin can take multiple team members to make?
    So yes, technology can be extremely detrimental if you cannot implement proper shaders and dynamic lighting effects.
    There are several tutorials out there for different programs, but I'll link to Photoshop as an example.

    "Babykittyjade;c-17733054" wrote:
    I wasn't going to insert myself into this argument but I really do this this whole inclusive thing has gone too far. I just want a fun VIDEO GAME. And I don't want to see anyone complaining when the upcoming packs are dry, boring, nothing risky or dangerous or scary, cultureless and basic. Because they are terrified of offending with no matter what they do.? it grinds my gears because people are messing up my favorite game. Then complain it's childish and boring. No fear emotion no robbers no scary ghosts no zombies etc.
    I will never even see the repo man in my life because he only comes for unpaid loans or something and it's impossible not to have money somehow without cheating it to zero. Because peope didn't want their stuff gone.

    Vampires and celebrities got nerfed. Now the invites. My favorite cc skins about to get broken in Dec. The bowing I had plans for removed. And other stuff they removed from the pack also. Modders found it in the code or wherever.
    The name of the insane trait had to be changed. And forget about disabilities now I know they will never touch on the subject.

    So that barbie video posted by @temporalgod
    Is exactly what we will get from now on.


    Wait, when did they change the Insane trait?
    What'd they change it to?
    I haven't had time to dedicate myself to any new builds or make new Sims families to test my builds.
  • As for going back to the issue of how to produce new skin colors, I suggest that EA should have a meeting with SEGA on the topic of Phantasy Star Online 2.
    You should ask the Japanese developers how they utilized the technology they had at the time of the Vita, and the ongoing process of upgrading and improving the data in order to get the level of graphics which they will produce in PSO2 NGS.
    Since both companies appear to be open to collaboration production, it might be a worthy investment of time for the possibility of a return investment.
  • "SimzSizzle;c-17744622" wrote:
    I for one am sorry the Japanese community feels that way, and look forward to EA clearing the air, and making it up to you.
    I don't know a lot about the various Asian cultures, but what little bit I do know, I respect a lot.
    I hope sometime soon this perceived rejection will be denied by EA and the record set straight so you can continue to play the games without feeling reproach.


    Oh, thank you for your kind words <3

    "SimzSizzle;c-17744597" wrote:
    Most people play games to get away from real life, now it feels like everyone wants to bring real life into the game. Can we just let it be a game please ? Playing to forget is a thing, and when the real world starts creeping into the game, that's when the game gets lost as in no one wants to play it anymore, and any fun it could've been goes with it.


    I agree with you. I grew up in the largest Koreatown in Japan, so I've seen a lot of disputes between South Koreans and Japanese. When EA supported those anti-Japanese people, I felt like the issues and the negative energy of hatred in the real world invaded one of my favorite games. My friends, including South Koreans living in Japan, and I thought "Even in a game? Really?"

    The following is a quote from the related news article. I hope this would help you understand the situation better.

    "The Sims 4 has confirmed changes will be made to the upcoming Snowy Escape pack, following concerns raised by Korean fans.

    Snowy Escape was unveiled earlier this week as the tenth Expansion Pack, with the official reveal trailer showing off the Japan-inspired world of Mt. Komorebi. Following this, a number of players pointed out two problematic moments.

    In one shot, a Sim is seen bowing in front of a shrine. For many Koreans, this is a reminder of when the country was under Japanese rule from 1910 to 1945. During this period, shrine worship was enforced.

    The second issue comes from one of the new clothing designs in the pack, with the imagery appearing similar to the controversial Japanese Rising Sun flag, which is associated with Japanese imperialism in Korea and China."