Why does everyone hate city living?

"aob;914019" wrote:
I see so much negativity and hate towards cl but honestly, I love it. (If you don't like city living, I'm not bashing you or saying you are wrong, just expressing my opinion). Personally, i think it added so much excitement and fun to the game and I can't imagine my game without it. What are your thoughts?

You can not say that Everyone hates city living , when in fact that is not the case, I do not hate city living at all, so the word Everyone does not really apply, that is My opinion on the matter.

"Ciarassims;15604775" wrote:
I swear they once said we could be the mayor of SM but that never happened :neutral:

That was a surveyed concept, not a statement that it would happen.

CL is a blatant rip off. I got it for $18 with extremely low expectations, and I still feel like that $18 was too much for the pack.

1. The city is a sloppy mess. There is entirely too much decoration scattered everywhere, I truly can't tell if these people realize they are making a Sims game. Restricting "apartments" to one world was a terrible idea, and restricting apartments to the few that ship with the pack was another terrible idea. Since players literally can't do anything but redecorate apartments, there easily should have been double the amount per neighborhood. However, it's obvious looking as the mediocre quality of them that they did the bare minimum and had no interest going above and beyond.
2. Festivals reuse base game content. This is where the ripping off becomes super obvious, every single festival minus the flee market is ripped from the base game and sold as something new and fun. I swear these people would try to sell showering as something new and fun if they were given the opportunity. The lack of new content aside, festivals are structured by day and only available in the city world. Why? Because of Maxis inability to think outside of the box. The flee market is ripped from their first EP, so even that 'new festival' isn't all that new.
3. The clothes introduced are ugly. I've been saying this since before it released, the clothes are just bad. Colors, styles, you name it - they chose to focus on culture, which was a tacky idea especially since everything is Americanized.
4. I don't see the hype with the new careers. They aren't professions like GTW. They are pretty much regular careers with different style tasks. All of them pretty much sit your Sims in front of a computer, which again is nothing new nor is it anything spectacular.
5. Buy mode stuff is ok. It's about all I use from the pack, and there's not a whole lot of it. There's a few new objects, but overall there's not a whole lot there either. Some of the stuff they found time for boggles my mind when other areas are so forgotten. They couldn't make working elevators for any high rise building, but they had more than enough time for a video game console. I'm gonna go ahead and say they have priority issues over there, because video game consoles are not something that scream "city life"

City Living has since made me a much more skeptical player. I bought the Vamp GP because I like vampires and there's some cool options, but in the grander scheme of things I plan on holding off. City Living was in no way, shape, or form worth $40. I didn't even think it was work $18. If Maxis would allow ala carte purchase of stuff I wouldn't have bought it in the first place. In my opinion, city Living is the weakest EP to date. Not for lack of marketing though, for a lack of substance.

"Rflong7;15604392" wrote:
Oh,... I didn't know it was hated by many. :(

That's sad to hear. I really had some hopes for City Living even if I was disappointed with the building of Apartments-lack there of. :(

There's no need to be sad because CL is not hated by many or "everyone." That is just a sweeping generalization. I've heard players complain about certain aspects of City Living (for example, the lag in San Myshuno, the Asians spawning, etc), but this thread would be the first time I've heard of "so many people" or "everyone" hating it. Case in point: if you typed in "City Living hate" into the search box, only a handful of threads come up, and of those threads, only this one is the relevant match for the word "hate."

"ts1depot;15604921" wrote:

"Rflong7;15604392" wrote:
Oh,... I didn't know it was hated by many. :(

That's sad to hear. I really had some hopes for City Living even if I was disappointed with the building of Apartments-lack there of. :(

There's no need to be sad because CL is not hated by many. I've heard players complain about certain aspects of City Living (for example, the lag in San Myshuno, the Asians spawning, etc), but this thread would be the first time I've heard of "so many people" hating it. Case in point: if you typed in "City Living hate" into the search box, only a handful of threads come up, and of those threads, only this one is the relevant match.

Well that's how internet searches go. You're going to find stuff in context of your search. This website isn't google. It's not going to show you related searches, partial matches or promoted content.

There's been quite a number of dissatisfied players with CL, and believe me Maxis did all they could to try and hide it, or brush it away. Totally unprofessional behavior was displayed a few months ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned a lot of people off of their game.

"MidnightAura;15604947" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;15604929" wrote:

"ts1depot;15604921" wrote:

"Rflong7;15604392" wrote:
Oh,... I didn't know it was hated by many. :(

That's sad to hear. I really had some hopes for City Living even if I was disappointed with the building of Apartments-lack there of. :(

There's no need to be sad because CL is not hated by many. I've heard players complain about certain aspects of City Living (for example, the lag in San Myshuno, the Asians spawning, etc), but this thread would be the first time I've heard of "so many people" hating it. Case in point: if you typed in "City Living hate" into the search box, only a handful of threads come up, and of those threads, only this one is the relevant match.

Well that's how internet searches go. You're going to find stuff in context of your search. This website isn't google. It's not going to show you related searches, partial matches or promoted content.

There's been quite a number of dissatisfied players with CL, and believe me Maxis did all they could to try and hide it, or brush it away. Totally unprofessional behavior was displayed a few months ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned a lot of people off of their game.

What was that? I don't think I seen this?

Before release there were interviews published that mentioned comments made by Grant Rodiek about City Living and complaints. He said that elevators are essentially stairs, and other stuff that people generally didn't like because they dismissed any and all criticism against the pack. The unprofessional part came when simgurudrake chimed in and accused the interviews of being wrongly translated and inaccurate, demanding they be removed. She claimed that none of the statements there were said, and that it was the fansites fault for "misquoting" the developer. Not so long after that more evidence came along to confirm the interviews were 100% legitimate and Maxis, more specifically SGDrake, was trying to blame fansites for Maxis PR problems and inability to recognize and grow from constructive criticism. It also demonstrated that Maxis has no issue glazing over feedback, and ignoring it where applicable.

"drake_mccarty;15604929" wrote:
There's been quite a number of dissatisfied players with CL.

I didn't say no one was dissatisfied with CL. Of course people were, just like there have always been people dissatisfied with EPs going all the way back to Sims 1. There's no such thing as game content where everyone is 100% pleased or satisfied. There will always be unsatisfied people, because it's the plain reality that you can never please everyone 100% of the time.

And there is nothing wrong with people actually expressing their disappointment or dissatisfaction. My issue is why someone has to claim that for the sake of dissatisfied players, "everyone" or "so many" people feel that way. It just comes across as bait to me, even if the OP didn't intend it that way.

"ts1depot;15604959" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;15604929" wrote:
There's been quite a number of dissatisfied players with CL.

I didn't say no one was dissatisfied with CL. Of course people were, just like there have always been people dissatisfied with EPs going all the way back to Sims 1. There's no such thing as game content where everyone is 100% pleased or satisfied. There will always be unsatisfied people, because it's the plain reality that you can never please everyone 100% of the time.

And there is nothing wrong with people actually expressing their disappointment or dissatisfaction. My issue is why someone has to claim that for the sake of dissatisfied players, "everyone" or "so many" people feel that way. It just comes across as bait to me, even if the OP didn't intend it that way.

That works both ways in that case. It's hypocritical to forbid saying "so many people dislike this" but allowing "so many people like this"

So yeah, of course there will never be a 100% satisfaction rate, but that doesn't mean that those who are dissatisfied should be labeled bait because they make the same broad statements as those who aren't dissatisfied. Unless you are giving the same lecture on click baiting to those promoting the game, it's a non-issue.

"drake_mccarty;15604957" wrote:

"MidnightAura;15604947" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;15604929" wrote:

"ts1depot;15604921" wrote:

"Rflong7;15604392" wrote:
Oh,... I didn't know it was hated by many. :(

That's sad to hear. I really had some hopes for City Living even if I was disappointed with the building of Apartments-lack there of. :(

There's no need to be sad because CL is not hated by many. I've heard players complain about certain aspects of City Living (for example, the lag in San Myshuno, the Asians spawning, etc), but this thread would be the first time I've heard of "so many people" hating it. Case in point: if you typed in "City Living hate" into the search box, only a handful of threads come up, and of those threads, only this one is the relevant match.

Well that's how internet searches go. You're going to find stuff in context of your search. This website isn't google. It's not going to show you related searches, partial matches or promoted content.

There's been quite a number of dissatisfied players with CL, and believe me Maxis did all they could to try and hide it, or brush it away. Totally unprofessional behavior was displayed a few months ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned a lot of people off of their game.

What was that? I don't think I seen this?

Before release there were interviews published that mentioned comments made by Grant Rodiek about City Living and complaints. He said that elevators are essentially stairs, and other stuff that people generally didn't like because they dismissed any and all criticism against the pack. The unprofessional part came when simgurudrake chimed in and accused the interviews of being wrongly translated and inaccurate, demanding they be removed. She claimed that none of the statements there were said, and that it was the fansites fault for "misquoting" the developer. Not so long after that more evidence came along to confirm the interviews were 100% legitimate and Maxis, more specifically SGDrake, was trying to blame fansites for Maxis PR problems and inability to recognize and grow from constructive criticism. It also demonstrated that Maxis has no issue glazing over feedback, and ignoring it where applicable.

Ah yes thank you for clarifying. I do remember that now!

I've only had CL for a few weeks and I caught it on sale. I generally do like it in conjunction with GT. GTW is probably the weakest EP for me. I got GTW included with the base game and I've only recently started playing the careers for it. I was expecting something like Ambitions - which it was not. The juxtaposition of aliens and only 3 new careers was weird. If you don't care for aliens and I don't and if you don't have a specific sim that you want to follow to one of those 3 careers then there isn't much to GTW. (I remember running all over Twinbrook, redesigning the town, making over all the residents and putting out fires). Now I've played the doctor career and it's kind of fun but the bugginess is a real issue and from what I hear, the detective career is broken as well. That leaves me with a game with some aliens who annoy me and a few objects/clothes/hairstyles - when I wanted something with the options of Ambitions or a number of solidly functional careers. It feels very childish.

I'm just saying that because I think GTW is a weaker EP than either GT or CL which I like together. I understand the frustration around editing apartments though I haven't really ever had a desire to build my own. I used to build more in Sims 2 and 3 and now I do more renovation. I do wish that there would be a few more lots - a few more penthouses and venues. I completely agree with the person who said that there should be space for and content for Dine Out venues. Yeah, I get it that not everyone has Dine Out but people who don't might want to buy it to add restaurants to San Myshuno.

I agree about the complaints about all the townies spawning weirdly. I pretty much quickly edit or delete them all now. I like the amount of diversity. I like how a few of the neighborhoods feel really full of vibrant townies, but yes, I use CAS.fulleditmode to keep things varied in my game and to correct most of the messed-up looking townies so that they are stylish and usually attractive.

I like a lot of the CL content though. I live in the metro area of a major city myself and it does have that city feel. I actually like most of the clothes. I enjoy and replay the festivals as story elements in my rotations. I send my young sims to party in Windenburg or to be up all night doing karaoke. I actually do like the varied foods as that is a great feature of where I live myself. I'm finding it to mostly be a fun and replayable expansion that is factoring into my game regularly. I also like the more flexible careers and would like to see more like that.

One more criticism is that I think too many of the apartments have negative lot traits that are over the top. I'm going to have to edit out some of the apartments with features like "gremlins" to create more normal options for my sims. It is annoying that some of the really negative features can't be edited. A "needs TLC" apartment is funny but it's not something I'd live with long term. At a certain point, features like that just become a distraction.

I do like how the apartments feel different than the suburbs and I rotate into them regularly but I still go back and play suburban families. I wouldn't send all my sims to San Myshuno but I like visiting the ones that are there.