I'm trying to make a "Pee Here" mod, so I created a new interaction based on the pee while standing interaction and added it to object_terrain. I also copied most of a toilet's tuning to terrain as well so it would be recognized as a toilet (or at least I thought it would). The interaction does show up in the game, but the problem is that it doesn't work, it always ends up in a route failure. I have no idea what's causing the route failure or how can I get the mod to work, can someone help me?I tried to paste the XML code for the Object Tuning and Interaction Tuning here, but it was too long so I couldn't, so I uploaded the package file instead (link here).

I haven't looked at your code, but judging from what you've said, a couple things come to mind:1) You shouldn't need or want to edit object_terrain in any way, unless it's to force a new interaction on it using an override (and if that's your goal, you can use scripts, which'll have better forward compatibility, since they can inject the interaction to object_terrain). I can share an example of such a script if need be. As far as terrain being recognized as a toilet, that's probably going to be an involved process and may not work for generic terrain itself; I mean, if you're wanting some kind of remnant of it happening on the terrain, I can see why you'd go in that direction, but you could probably create a puddle at the end of the interaction, which more or less simulates a result of the terrain being peed on. If all you want is for the sim to autonomously consider terrain as a possible option for peeing, you should be able to pull that off in your custom pee-while-standing interaction itself, by implementing some autonomy pull for bladder.2) It sounds like you're on the right track with creating an interaction based on the pee while standing interaction. The route failure part probably has something to do with the animation and/or the constraints of the interaction. You could try experimenting with the removal of constraints, changing of animation, etc., to try to nail down where the problem area is.

Well, from the stuff I've dealt in recently, special situations with posture will have a generic_ interaction as one of the affordances on the object that looks something like this: Object 15540 False False 0.5 Actor Object False Interaction_Super Interaction_All NORMAL 1 OBJECT 26171 CHILD TEEN YOUNGADULT ADULT ELDER Actor 30 FalseSo if you're making a new/modified posture, you might try creating a custom version of this interaction and add it to object_terrain super_affordances, with the _provided_posture_type being your toilet stand posture, instead of Maxis's. (Not sure terrain is treated in the same way as most objects though.)Or maybe try adding it to postures.posture_graph in the POSTURE_PROVIDING_AFFORDANCES section.

1) Yes, I was editing object_terrain to force a new interaction as I'm still not familiarized with Python. After I get the mod to work I will probably try to create a script instead of overriding object_terrain.2) I've made some progress, I removed one of the constraints and also created an Animation Tuning and Animation State Machine based on the original one with some changes. It doesn't cause a route failure anymore, but the sim will just walk to the spot where I clicked and generate a puddle underneath (I've set it in the Interaction Tuning to always generate a puddle because it's more realistic). However, for some reason, the peeing animation does not play and also the bladder motive does not go up. This time I pasted the code in a website so it's easier to see it:Object Tuning (Terrain): LinkInteraction Tuning: LinkAnimation Tuning: LinkAnimation State Machine: LinkThe "toilet_sit" in the ASM is just because Sims4Studio wouldn't let me remove one of the choice values, it would always reset to two, so I just duplicated "toilet_stand" and renamed it as "toilet_sit", but they are the same.

Hmm. Is it giving you a lastexception error when you attempt to do the interaction? From the way you describe it, it sounds like something is erroring out.

No, I don't get any errors, it's just not working as expected. I recorded a video of what is happening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tXsHw5TYHU&feature=youtu.be

Trying to add an interaction to terrain but it's causing a route failure

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TriplisTrip
8 years ago
I haven't looked at your code, but judging from what you've said, a couple things come to mind:

1) You shouldn't need or want to edit object_terrain in any way, unless it's to force a new interaction on it using an override (and if that's your goal, you can use scripts, which'll have better forward compatibility, since they can inject the interaction to object_terrain). I can share an example of such a script if need be. As far as terrain being recognized as a toilet, that's probably going to be an involved process and may not work for generic terrain itself; I mean, if you're wanting some kind of remnant of it happening on the terrain, I can see why you'd go in that direction, but you could probably create a puddle at the end of the interaction, which more or less simulates a result of the terrain being peed on. If all you want is for the sim to autonomously consider terrain as a possible option for peeing, you should be able to pull that off in your custom pee-while-standing interaction itself, by implementing some autonomy pull for bladder.

2) It sounds like you're on the right track with creating an interaction based on the pee while standing interaction. The route failure part probably has something to do with the animation and/or the constraints of the interaction. You could try experimenting with the removal of constraints, changing of animation, etc., to try to nail down where the problem area is.
lexuus20
8 years ago
1) Yes, I was editing object_terrain to force a new interaction as I'm still not familiarized with Python. After I get the mod to work I will probably try to create a script instead of overriding object_terrain.

2) I've made some progress, I removed one of the constraints and also created an Animation Tuning and Animation State Machine based on the original one with some changes. It doesn't cause a route failure anymore, but the sim will just walk to the spot where I clicked and generate a puddle underneath (I've set it in the Interaction Tuning to always generate a puddle because it's more realistic). However, for some reason, the peeing animation does not play and also the bladder motive does not go up.

This time I pasted the code in a website so it's easier to see it:
Object Tuning (Terrain): Link
Interaction Tuning: Link
Animation Tuning: Link
Animation State Machine: Link

The "toilet_sit" in the ASM is just because Sims4Studio wouldn't let me remove one of the choice values, it would always reset to two, so I just duplicated "toilet_stand" and renamed it as "toilet_sit", but they are the same.
TriplisTrip
8 years ago
Hmm. Is it giving you a lastexception error when you attempt to do the interaction? From the way you describe it, it sounds like something is erroring out.
lexuus20
8 years ago
No, I don't get any errors, it's just not working as expected. I recorded a video of what is happening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tXsHw5TYHU&feature=youtu.be
TriplisTrip
8 years ago
Ok, I think I get something I didn't before. I wanted to check your code to verify, but for some reason, your CodePaste links aren't working for me anymore. Anyway, I think it's to do with the constraint.

I don't remember for sure what constraints you still had in there, if any. But I think the posture_manifest_tuning part may be vital to put the sim in the peeing stance. The body_target_tuning part can probably be deleted; I'd have to review the tdesc on that to be certain. But now that I'm thinking about how the toilet animation looks normally from my recollection, I think it's mostly just a static posture.

So you could try the following for constraints (if you haven't already) and see what happens:

HUMAN

15540

lexuus20

8 years ago

It didn't work. I tried both replacing the constraints I already had by these and keeping both, but in both cases it caused a route failure.

The interaction tuning (before I added the posture_manifest_tuning) is the following:

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TriplisTrip
8 years ago
Oh. I think I see something that may be problematic. Try changing m="objects.terrain" to m="interactions.base.super_interaction"

Then try with or without the posture constraint again. You might also try removing _provided_posture_type, but with the constraint. I've read the tdesc before, but I'm not totally sure how _provided_posture_type functions in practice.

Edit: Also, unless you're wanting a flush animation to happen in some way, you should be able to safely get rid of the pre-add and post-run commodities. All they do is push the sim to move into a flush interaction after peeing, but since it's not an actual toilet, you shouldn't need that.

Also also, if you get stumped, my recommendation would be to look for a Maxis-made interaction that is as similar as possible to what you're attempting to do and just use that as a base, with the peeing animation and posture inserted into it... see if it makes any difference. I don't know how helpful that is, but it's what I usually do if I'm struggling. Off-hand, I'm not sure what all there is in the way of interactions that are ground-targeted that aren't just a movement-based thing. But I guess there's the list of super_affordances in terrain object, so you could look there for examples.
lexuus20
8 years ago
Unfortunately they didn't work, even with m="interactions.base.super_interaction". When I add the posture_manifest_tuning, I get a route failure, when I remove it, I get what I showed in the video.
I also tried to create a new Posture Tuning and ASM for this Posture Tuning based on the ones from other terrain interactions, but it didn't make any difference. I had already tried to look at other terrain interactions too such as Do Push-Ups and replace the animations and postures by the peeing ones but then the interaction didn't even appear in the queue, it was simply ignored every time I clicked it.
TriplisTrip
8 years ago
Weird. Only thing I can think is if maybe there's something in the clip files for the animation that requires a target object of a particular height (that or in the posture). Only reason I can see for this is because of the peeing animation stream effect, maybe there's a height requirement, so that the stream hits in the right place.

I mean, you could maybe try extracting the peeing animation and just try to have it play without the posture or something. But then it probably wouldn't have the peeing stream effect (which may not reach the ground even if your attempts were working).

I'm not sure I can be of much more help. I hope you can figure it out though.
TriplisTrip
8 years ago
Scratch previous post, I have a strong hunch I know what you need to do, from something loosely related that I just got working. In the super_affordances for object_terrain, try adding the interaction generic_ToiletStand (id is 151354 if that helps you locate/add it)

Edit: On giving it more thought, this may not be as much of a clincher as I thought. The reason it seems important is because I ran into a situation in experimenting with SitOnGround and attempting to allow ages other than toddler to do it, just to see if I could get past the contraint, for one thing. In the end, what clinched that was editing the age in both the SitOnGround interaction and the "generic" SitOnGround (there are a lot of "generic" named files like these, which are apparently important in interactions that involve special posture).

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